Chiefs Official discussion thread on Andy’s late game conservative play calling - Page 13

**BigRedChief** · 11-19-2019, 12:12 AM

It’s a continuing thing from Philly. Why can’t he learn or change?

I and the Chief fans I was with were so pissed off at Andy being conservative again at the end of the game. 2 and 6. You get the 1st down. That’s it, game over. I would be trusting Mahomes to get 6 yards in two tries over trusting our defense.

Almost burned us again just last week. Came close to blowing a another game with conservative play calling.

Come on Andy, your a HOF coach but it’s time to rethink this late game conservative strategy. Trust in Mahomes to get it done.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-19-2019, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Because the fastest way to let teams back in it is to throw picks and or give them short fields.

The majority of the time, getting a 2 score lead in the 2nd half and going conservative on offense, running it, quick throws etc and punting is successful.

Our defense has been ass so it's made it ass puckering time.

Also, don't think anyone's suggesting we throw the ball 40 yards in protect the lead situations. But go after first downs and attack the sticks. Is an INT too much different from 3-and-out? What if an INT is followed up by a TD on the next drive? Is a clock-stopping incompletion a big deal if the next pass is a first down completion that creates 3 new downs? This needs to be our new mentality.

O.city · 11-19-2019, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Also, don't think anyone's suggesting we throw the ball 40 yards in protect the lead situations. But go after first downs and attack the sticks. Is an INT too much different from 3-and-out? What if an INT is followed up by a TD on the next drive? Is a clock-stopping incompletion a big deal if the next pass is a first down completion that creates 3 new downs? This needs to be our new mentality.

Well, there could be about 3 minutes in difference between an INT and a 3 and out.

They need to be better for sure.

But IMO, if you have a 2 score lead in the 4th quarter, you should win.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-19-2019, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Well, there could be about 3 minutes in difference between an INT and a 3 and out.

They need to be better for sure.

But IMO, if you have a 2 score lead in the 4th quarter, you should win.

Well, that's the downside risk. The upside risk is that you gain 40 seconds every time you get a first down (can gain up to 2 minutes if you convert on 3rd down) and you improve field position with every first down. We've thrown 2 INTs all season and 1/3 of our passes on a regular offense go incomplete. So you're downside risk isn't even that big. Not all offenses should go for the throat with passes. We should. It reduces risk of depending on defense and creates better chances to extend drives which burn clock.

Meanwhile, what's the upside risk of a run offense minus Kareem Hunt extending drives. Or our D protecting the lead if we don't add to our score. We don't have a consistent enough run O or 4th quarter D to be so dependent on this strategy.

O.city · 11-19-2019, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Well, that's the downside risk. The upside risk is that you gain 40 seconds every time you get a first down (can gain up to 2 minutes if you convert on 3rd down) and you improve field position with every first down. We've thrown 2 INTs all season and 1/3 of our passes on a regular offense go incomplete. So you're downside risk isn't even that big. Not all offenses should go for the throat with passes. We should. It reduces risk of depending on defense and creates better chances to extend drives which burn clock.

Meanwhile, what's the upside risk of a run offense minus Kareem Hunt extending drives. Or our D protecting the lead if we don't add to our score. We don't have a consistent enough run O or 4th quarter D to be so dependent on this strategy.

I don't really disagree. But you're gonna have some pretty bad losses when shit goes wrong that way. Just have to deal with it i guess.

suzzer99 · 11-19-2019, 05:39 PM

Also not fun: In games that they should be about 75% likely to win, they've won about half the time.

(@ChiefsAnalytics @WichitaChiefSam Please check my work and also forgive me for stealing some of your paraphrasing.)
— Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) November 19, 2019

Here you go. We run well below where we should when our WP is high (we have the lead).

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2019, 05:41 PM

this is a stupid stat that means nothing

**BigRedChief** · 11-19-2019, 05:54 PM

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Shady was wide ****ing open here. This is a sizable gain, maybe for a first.

Mahomes missed.

BLAME. MAHOMES.

Sit Mahones. Start Moore!

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-19-2019, 06:05 PM

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I said that earlier this season. Most seasons Andy starts the year on fire with creative plays and we abuse teams until they finally start to adjust and in a lot of cases, start copying Andy's plays. We didn't do that this year. I bet we have plays saved for the playoffs.

There’s certainly some things to hold back for that January scenario but I wouldn’t hesitate to use a lot of the good shit against NE the first time around. It’ll only build confidence (if they can win), and give other teams stuff to scramble about, trying to decipher how to counter it.

Plus, it could mean a bye.

Chiefshrink · 11-19-2019, 06:19 PM

Offensive line is the culprit. Can't run block when we need it the most and can't pass accurately when the o-line attempts to give Pat PTSD everytime he drops back. Pat did not look comfortable at all throughout the whole game last night IMHO. But it was nice to see him pull a couple of Alex Smith runs when needed.

Megatron96 · 11-19-2019, 06:30 PM

I think we're being a little too hard on Andy and the offense concerning the last couple drives and the lack of points. Andy dialed up some good plays, but in one instance, Pat flat over-threw McCoy twice and the second resulted in McCoy's concussion. Not saying that was Pat's fault, just that they didn't work, and one of the results was losing our primary RB.

Another thing was the fact that we were playing at 30,000 ft. We knew this would be a problem for both our OL and DL towards the end of the game, and would probably result in some sloppy play. Which is certainly did.

Add in the fact that Fisher was obviously a little rusty and had a few bad plays, which allowed rushers to get inside of him, affecting the play a couple times.

But the whole OL showed signs of fatigue and shortness of breath on those last drives. And that Chargers DL is one of the better ones in the NFL. So we saw some porous pass pro, a couple flags, etc. Andy probably realized all of that, and dialed up plays that favored quick releases and more running, to protect his OL from having to over-exert themselves.

So I'm inclined to give Andy and the offense as a whole a bit of a pass for those last two drives. We don't have to play another game above 5,000 ft. so I think the OL will play better down the stretch.

And I'm very optimistic that Hill will be back for the Patriots, ditto McCoy and Damien, so I think we'll be in pretty good shape in a couple weeks.

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2019, 08:23 PM

just watched the 3rd quarter

the chiefs called that little rub route rollout to the sideline to kelce for a first down in the third quarter - to the right side of the field

they flipped the play and ran it to the left side of the field on their last offensive play

that's fairly uncreative for Reid and a pretty good sign that they had to throw their whole gameplan in the trash

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-19-2019, 08:57 PM

I'm sitting in an airport on my phone and wish I had an easier way to look up the Mahomes injury thread and bump all the post how we should go to a short passing game and keep Pat healthy if he comes back early or sit him until after the bye. The Oline sucked last night, the field was miserable but many forgot what they wished for 3 weeks ago, let alone last week. The ignorance and flip flopping from some on here is pathetic...

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2019, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

I'm sitting in an airport on my phone and wish I had an easier way to look up the Mahomes injury thread and bump all the post how we should go to a short passing game and keep Pat healthy if he comes back early or sit him until after the buy. The Oline sucked last night, the field was miserable but many forgot what they wished for 3 weeks ago, let alone last week. The ignorance and flip flopping from some on here is pathetic...

Spot on.

For weeks it was ANDY ONLY THROW DEEP DURR

Now it's ANDY TOO CONSERVATIVE HURRRRR

bunch of ****ing Goldilocks up in this bitch

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2019, 10:43 PM

it's like some of you don't watch other games

the patriots shitty offense almost ****ed them over sunday against a mediocre team

defense had to close it out after THE GREAT NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS punted on SIX CONSECUTIVE POSSESSIONS

and that same Patriots offense....hasn't scored as many as 24 points (what we scored yesterday)....in a MONTH

their running backs are averaging 3.3 YPC.....shady and damien look like goddamn walter payton over here

the cardinals...the shitty goddamn CARDINALS...almost beat the 49ers

no team is perfect, every team has warts, except maybe the Ravens, and their QB is a mediocre passer who we CURRENTLY OWN

the chiefs are doing fine

just

****ing

FINE

chiefzilla1501 · 11-19-2019, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

I'm sitting in an airport on my phone and wish I had an easier way to look up the Mahomes injury thread and bump all the post how we should go to a short passing game and keep Pat healthy if he comes back early or sit him until after the bye. The Oline sucked last night, the field was miserable but many forgot what they wished for 3 weeks ago, let alone last week. The ignorance and flip flopping from some on here is pathetic...

Nobody is saying fling the ball 40 yards downfield. There is a happy medium between playing not to lose and playing reckless.

11-19-2019, 12:12 AM
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11-19-2019, 05:41 PM	#186
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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $1380400	I think we're being a little too hard on Andy and the offense concerning the last couple drives and the lack of points. Andy dialed up some good plays, but in one instance, Pat flat over-threw McCoy twice and the second resulted in McCoy's concussion. Not saying that was Pat's fault, just that they didn't work, and one of the results was losing our primary RB. Another thing was the fact that we were playing at 30,000 ft. We knew this would be a problem for both our OL and DL towards the end of the game, and would probably result in some sloppy play. Which is certainly did. Add in the fact that Fisher was obviously a little rusty and had a few bad plays, which allowed rushers to get inside of him, affecting the play a couple times. But the whole OL showed signs of fatigue and shortness of breath on those last drives. And that Chargers DL is one of the better ones in the NFL. So we saw some porous pass pro, a couple flags, etc. Andy probably realized all of that, and dialed up plays that favored quick releases and more running, to protect his OL from having to over-exert themselves. So I'm inclined to give Andy and the offense as a whole a bit of a pass for those last two drives. We don't have to play another game above 5,000 ft. so I think the OL will play better down the stretch. And I'm very optimistic that Hill will be back for the Patriots, ditto McCoy and Damien, so I think we'll be in pretty good shape in a couple weeks.
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11-19-2019, 08:23 PM	#191
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11-19-2019, 10:43 PM	#194
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4140478	it's like some of you don't watch other games the patriots shitty offense almost **ed them over sunday against a mediocre team defense had to close it out after THE GREAT NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS punted on SIX CONSECUTIVE POSSESSIONS and that same Patriots offense....hasn't scored as many as 24 points (what we scored yesterday)....in a MONTH their running backs are averaging 3.3 YPC.....shady and damien look like goddamn walter payton over here the cardinals...the shitty goddamn CARDINALS...almost beat the 49ers no team is perfect, every team has warts, except maybe the Ravens, and their QB is a mediocre passer who we CURRENTLY OWN the chiefs are doing fine just **ing FINE __________________ Chiefs game films
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