Alpha WR's

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The argument is alot about Franklin and Mitchell because both should be there or around there. Either could go a little higher or a little lower. My argument is Mitchell isn't a 1st rounder, his is that Franklin and Worthy both aren't. I'd consider Mitchell if my top 6 were gone. He is basically only considering Mitchell. Does that solve it?

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Between Worthy, Franklin and Mitchell, i think Franklin is the guy id feel most comfortable spending a 1st on. He's the most complete of the 3 imo and put stuff on "tape" that i believe are high degree of difficulty plays, which is something i'm constantly looking for.

I get that Mitchell's RAS is through the roof, but goddamn i keep going back to his "tape" hoping to come away impressed and while i do like what i see from him more than say, Quentin Johnston from last year (whom i thought would be a bust), there's still nothing that pops out as special or particularly NFL-esque.

I like Mitchell's ability to hand pluck the ball. He's got ideal size. His RAS is obviously /drool. But goddamn the man does NOTHING with the ball in his hands. He often goes down with the first defender, doesn't really break a play open. Would like to see him stay on his feet more. He's fallen down where big plays coulda been had. Not great body control, idgaf what others say about that. If he had great body control he wouldn't be falling down on some of those deep routes ala MVS. And for a guy who runs a 4.35, he looks very 4.4 on the field so im not sure what to make of that.

To be clear, if the Chiefs want to draft Mitchell i'd fully support it. It's not like a Skyy Moore "hate" thing from a few seasons ago.

[O.city]

Of that group, McConkey probably. He just comes ready to roll, not much development needed.

[kccrow]

I'm with you on supporting it if it happens. I don't know that they can make a "bad pick" in those top 10 or so WRs. Inevitably though, we'll get the but but but DK Metcalf!!! shit for years again.

[wachashi]

I've heard there are some questions about Mitchell's effort and for that reason the team interview process will be important for him.

He looks like a first-round lock to me, but if he's not instilling confidence in the interviews about his work ethic, then he could fall.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by wachashi

I've heard there are some questions about Mitchell's effort and for that reason the team interview process will be important for him.

He looks like a first-round lock to me, but if he's not instilling confidence in the interviews about his work ethic, then he could fall.

I have a hard time believing that Mahomes wants a guy who admits to going less than all out most of the time so he can go all out once in a while. Mahomes is so about knowing where everyone is at all times. How is Mahomes supposed to know that the guy will be where he is supposed to be, and when will he be there if he doesn't do it on a consistent basis?

I hope that makes sense.

[kccrow]

I'm really kind of keen to the idea of making a bold move for Brian Thomas Jr. Now, he looks like Alpha quality to me and there's just something about LSU WRs man.

Worthy exploding just might help that cause by taking "one more guy" off the list before him. Maybe.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm really kind of keen to the idea of making a bold move for Brian Thomas Jr. Now, he looks like Alpha quality to me and there's just something about LSU WRs man.

Worthy exploding just might help that cause by taking "one more guy" off the list before him. Maybe.

Been wondering the same.

What's the move?

I suggested "Sneed + 5th for #15 + 6th I'd happily take Thomas Jr @ #15" in a different thread.

[wannaGOback]

The more I watch Mitchell the more I see potential massive star.

There does need to be a question about his work ethic. There’s plays he straight up looks like he takes off. What’s interesting is he seems like a really good teammate was cheering on every catch and running up to people after plays during their playoff game. So it’s not a lack of interest in the game.

That means on a contender like the chiefs he could really blossom. If im KC I risk it all on this dude. Trade up for him.

How he pulls up out of his block in the 40 just looks freakish and effortless. His hands look strong as hell. Just screams insanely natural athlete. I love how aggressive he attacks angles and man coverage. Bama game shows that. Just a great one on one player which is what will be happening in his first year. Really when you think about it he compliments our roster super well.

I like BTJ too but he doesn’t look as natural. More controlled.

I’m down to pick Worthy but I’d be way more greedy here and bet on this guy being the biggest star of the wrs in this draft. Realistically he’s well more equipped to do that than worthy.Worthy is also a freak and I don’t think we could go wrong. The upgrade to wr is much needed.

Drafting them both thru trades should be a serious consideration. We really need 2 wrs. They’d be cheap. Mooney is about the only free agent that intrigues me without dropping way too much money.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Anyhow... my rant... I guess if you want to axe all those guys out, I would definitely not take a WR in round 1. I'm not even considering it. Maybe round 2 if the chips fall right. If not, I might push the issue in round 3.

Let’s look at the last few years drafts for WRs in the late first. I threw in Christian Watson & Elijah Moore also at 34.

2023
No. 21: Quentin Johnson chargers
No. 22: Zay flowers ravens

2022
No. 16: Jahan Dotson, Commanders
No. 18: Treylon Burks, Titans
No. 34: Christian Watson, Packers

2021
No. 20: Kadarius Toney, Giants
No. 27: Rashod Bateman, Ravens
No. 34: Elijah Moore, Jets

Wouldn’t the production, traits and etc of worthy, Mitchell and Brian Thomas jr be better than these guys? I could see Franklin maybe being there but I think your final point about all those guys being taken before we pick and the chiefs taking a wr in round 2 or 3 is most likely to happen.

[kccrow]

This "former scout's" opinions on WRs sound like MMs. I'm just wondering who stole who's ideas.

https://firstroundmock.com/

Has Thomas Jr is a 5th-round caliber player. Worthy is a 3rd round player. Franklin is a 2nd round player.

Mitchell is going to be a superstar (and he might end up being one, who knows) and ever says the word "alpha!". McConkey, Polk, and Corley are 1st round caliber.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

This "former scout's" opinions on WRs sound like MMs. I'm just wondering who stole who's ideas.

https://firstroundmock.com/

Has Thomas Jr is a 5th-round caliber player. Worthy is a 3rd round player. Franklin is a 2nd round player.

Mitchell is going to be a superstar (and he might end up being one, who knows) and ever says the word "alpha!". McConkey, Polk, and Corley are 1st round caliber.

Well, ask WannaGOback, it's a MM mult.

[wannaGOback]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, ask WannaGOback, it's a MM mult.

Takes a 5th grader to know our writing styles are completely different. And we disagreed pretty strongly pre combine. I was high on Franklin now i think otherwise.

I also don’t spend day and night looking at this shit. I watched more tape of Mitchell and I’m convinced. Also I’m still high on Worthy even tho he isn’t.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by wannaGOback

Takes a 5th grader to know our writing styles are completely different. And we disagreed pretty strongly pre combine. I was high on Franklin now i think otherwise.

I also don’t spend day and night looking at this shit. I watched more tape of Mitchell and I’m convinced. Also I’m still high on Worthy even tho he isn’t.

I'm just razzin MM, mostly because he bowed out and left the draft game. I is sad.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by wannaGOback

Takes a 5th grader to know our writing styles are completely different. And we disagreed pretty strongly pre combine. I was high on Franklin now i think otherwise.

I also don’t spend day and night looking at this shit. I watched more tape of Mitchell and I’m convinced. Also I’m still high on Worthy even tho he isn’t.

[JPH83]

The odd thing about Mitchell is I'm not sure I heard rumours of him running 4.3 territory before the combine. I thought he looked plenty fast enough, but it seems noone else did. So I kind of see crow's point. But a mid 4.3 is a mid 4.3. I know it's not in pads but...you can kinda either run that or not, and you really don't need to run it EVERY snap.

I think he's going to be a really good player, might be the first WR eval I get right.