Official discussion thread on Andy’s late game conservative play calling

[BigRedChief]

It’s a continuing thing from Philly. Why can’t he learn or change?

I and the Chief fans I was with were so pissed off at Andy being conservative again at the end of the game. 2 and 6. You get the 1st down. That’s it, game over. I would be trusting Mahomes to get 6 yards in two tries over trusting our defense.

Almost burned us again just last week. Came close to blowing a another game with conservative play calling.

Come on Andy, your a HOF coach but it’s time to rethink this late game conservative strategy. Trust in Mahomes to get it done.

[O.city]

I don't know that he went conservative, I kinda think Pat starting seeing pressure and kinda turtled up.

When you watch some of the clips, he's throwing it pretty quick. Sure he was getting pressured, so you understand it atleast i guess.

[chiefzilla1501]

Mahomes 4q numbers are tough in 2019 because he had a few games where he was too hurt to be able to throw. So let's look at 2018....

Ahead by 9 - 16 pts....
91.1 qb rating (113.8 overall)
7.1 Avg yards (8.8 overall)
59.1% completion % (66% overall)
6 / 2 td/INT ratio (44 / 10 otherwise)

Across every other situation we were consistently outstanding on every single statistic. That includes games where we're behind even by a lot which you'd think would be much worse. these numbers in TD+ leads are dramatically worse. And most fans believe that passes the eyeball test too. We simply aren't as effective passing the ball in protect the lead situations. Which is to be expected but not this dramatic a difference. We masked it last year. But this year its become an issue. Doesn't matter who you blame. We have to put games away better.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

I don't know that he went conservative, I kinda think Pat starting seeing pressure and kinda turtled up.

When you watch some of the clips, he's throwing it pretty quick. Sure he was getting pressured, so you understand it at least i guess.

The whole game plan may have been to negate Bosa and Ingram by just getting rid of the ball quick and running a shit ton of screens.


I mean if you look at it objectively it would have been good enough for a 14pt win had HB not dropped a gimmee.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The whole game plan may have been to negate Bosa and Ingram by just getting rid of the ball quick and running a shit ton of screens.


I mean if you look at it objectively it would have been good enough for a 14pt win had HB not dropped a gimmee.

Yeah, but i'm tired of doing that shit. Seems like every game this year it's been this or that.

Watkins talked about it after the game. They haven't played a good game yet. It's maddening and seems to be a bit of a team that bought in to their own hype IMO.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

I don't know that he went conservative, I kinda think Pat starting seeing pressure and kinda turtled up.

When you watch some of the clips, he's throwing it pretty quick. Sure he was getting pressured, so you understand it atleast i guess.

Is it also possible that pat doesn't want to make mistakes. Doesn't want an incomplete pass to stop the clock. Doesn't want to take a loss on a sack. Doesn't want to throw a pick. Could that split second hesitation lead to not making the aggressive throws he typically is unafraid to throw? Could overthinking a decision lead to putting too much touch on a pass. It's an explanation for how even an aggressive playcall can be handled very conservatively.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, but i'm tired of doing that shit. Seems like every game this year it's been this or that.

Watkins talked about it after the game. They haven't played a good game yet. It's maddening and seems to be a bit of a team that bought in to their own hype IMO.

Meh, I think the team needed a good "defensive" win. The offense isn't going to play remotely that bad again this year, its was a complete outlier. I mean we are 11 games into the season have the #1 offense according to DVOA.

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Meh, I think the team needed a good "defensive" win. The offense isn't going to play remotely that bad again this year, its was a complete outlier. I mean we are 11 games into the season have the #1 offense according to DVOA.

We did need that and it's a great note for our defense to ride into the bye week. But the late game protect the lead inconsistency is not an outlier. We've been consistently not nearly as good. I would hope it's games like this that create the urgency to tighten that up. There's no need to make nailbiters out of games we could easily put away.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by FAX

Coaches are always the beneficiaries and victims of hindsight.

When the mob says Wally can't win games with his philosophy, they have to ignore the wins. When they say he can't win "big" games, they have to ignore the "big" wins. (Which Wally has had.)

As for last night, the turf wasn't conducive to speed (our strength) and the game went to hell after both teams' players were depleted of oxygen.

The Chiefs offense isn't built to run on sand and random chunks of peat. The o-line (other than Schwartz) sucked total ass. We lost our best WR in the 1st quarter. We ran out of running backs (couldn't rotate a single sub) and still won the game. (Props to the Williams kid because that had to be like playing in moon atmosphere.)

Yes, Rivers thinks he can still throw and sometimes he gets lucky. But he's always thrown picks. One of the reasons we got 4 in this game was the pressure applied by the defensive front. Should have had 5 ... and if we had, we probably would have won by 14.

Just one of those ugly games played in conditions that couldn't have been designed more perfectly to hinder the Chiefs offense. But we needed a win and we got one.

The haters want flash and style and highlight plays and MVP discussion. I'll take the dub.

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[-King-]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

As predictable as things have seemed at times, I find myself wondering if Andy is just sitting on a whole bunch of shit that he doesn’t wanna show until New England.

That could be wrong, but they’ve never felt as predictable as they have so far this season.

I said that earlier this season. Most seasons Andy starts the year on fire with creative plays and we abuse teams until they finally start to adjust and in a lot of cases, start copying Andy's plays. We didn't do that this year. I bet we have plays saved for the playoffs.

[O.city]

90 percent of NFL games are one score games in the 4th quarter. For everyone wanting the chiefs to just blow teams out, i agree. But it just doesn't happen across the league.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

90 percent of NFL games are one score games in the 4th quarter. For everyone wanting the chiefs to just blow teams out, i agree. But it just doesn't happen across the league.

Few teams have the offensive firepower to put teams away like we do. I get that defenses play worse when the opponent is pressed against the wall. It's just hard to explain how an offense as dominant as we are is so dominant in every single situation except for this one. The offense is extremely less productive and it's not hard to connect the dots on why.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Few teams have the offensive firepower to put teams away like we do. I get that defenses play worse when the opponent is pressed against the wall. It's just hard to explain how an offense as dominant as we are is so dominant in every single situation except for this one. The offense is extremely less productive and it's not hard to connect the dots on why.

Because the fastest way to let teams back in it is to throw picks and or give them short fields.

The majority of the time, getting a 2 score lead in the 2nd half and going conservative on offense, running it, quick throws etc and punting is successful.

Our defense has been ass so it's made it ass puckering time.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Because the fastest way to let teams back in it is to throw picks and or give them short fields.

The majority of the time, getting a 2 score lead in the 2nd half and going conservative on offense, running it, quick throws etc and punting is successful.

Our defense has been ass so it's made it ass puckering time.

I get the rationale. It's a fine strategy if you have Alex Smith. But we have an mvp qb who doesn't throw a lot of picks and who plays a totally different style. And it's happened more than enough that teams have crept back into games they have no business climbing back into that it's time to re-evaluate the strategy.

If our offense has firepower in the first 3 quarters and in the 4th quarter in close games, no reason why they shouldn't also be consistently powerful in games where we're winning. Here's another perspective. We created so much fear in Baltimore of running up the score that they were desperately going after 4th downs and 2 point conversions. Sometimes an elite sprinters best option is to put the race out of reach vs saving their energy for the final dash for the finish. Desperate teams do desperate things. We could make a mistake OR we could score again and totally take the air out of our opponent. With our offense I'll take the second option.

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