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Old 11-03-2016, 09:11 PM  
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*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository ***

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

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Old 02-01-2017, 12:16 PM   #1651
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:26 PM   #1652
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My fellow Cardinal fans evidently don't believe in Cuthbert's ceiling. They see a guy that's likely in the mold of a utility player long-term (and oddly, seem to prefer Dozier. I do not).

In Cuthbert I see someone who's ceiling is Anthony Rendon and who's floor is....I dunno....does a poor man's Juan Uribe seem fair? He has the bat control to make him a viable player even if his power doesn't take a step forward. He'll be BABIP reliant at that point but with his GB rates, his BABIP should stay pretty high. And if his GB rates drop, it will probably mean more fly balls which will be a good thing for him as his frame can support more power if he puts the ball in the air more.

I like him but my Cards friends think that someone like Jose Ramirez or Jonathan Villar is a more equitable return or they prefer more risk/reward prospects like Matt Chapman. If I went that route, I'm a fan of Ryan McMahon (gonna watch him this year as I think he takes a big step forward).

That's interesting, because his path is very similar to that of some typical Cards guys who come up and exceed expectations - Matt Carpenter and Allen Craig come to mind.

Cuthbert was a big bonus guy out of Latin America and made some top 100 lists before stalling a little at AA and falling off the prospect map.

I agree that his ability to control the strike zone is a real positive for Cheslor. He does take good ABs, even if his initial walk rate doesn't show it. Pitchers challenged him fairly often, so he put a lot balls in play. If he proves he can do more damage on balls in the zone, that walk rate is going to tick up as pitchers become more careful working to him.

He also hit a little bit of a wall in September which hurt his overall numbers... was a .289/.325/.435 player through the end of August.

I'm optimistic he can be a .280/.320 guy. Question just becomes if he can make the SLG a .450 if he can tick up to a 20-HR pace, that SLG would jump into the .460-.470 range.

I understand preferring Jose Ramirez (who is unlikely to be traded, IMO) or Villar to him (though Villar's approach is pretty awful - he's a better fantasy player than real-life guy), though.

I'd like to see the Royals get Cutty around 350-400 ABs again, with a lot of those coming as a guy who is in the lineup against a lefty starter in place of Moss/Moustakas/Gordon.

Say he gets 250 vs lefties (60-65 games) and 100 against righties (20-25 games)... I would expect a slash something like .305/.343/.455.

That would be a really useful and valuable bench pieces, especially when most of those games are paired with a guy like Moss, who has traditionally raked vs righties.


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Old 02-01-2017, 12:39 PM   #1653
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Your Dozier. Who I feel like is a utility man waiting to happen. An overaged hitter smacking around AA on his third trip through isn't all that impressive, though admittedly he carried some good momentum through to AAA. I just don't see the tools that Cuthbert has.



Been wrong before, though...

That's interesting. I'd gladly make that deal.

I think Dozier's struggles in 14 and 15 at Northwest Arkansas were primarily related to his approach. He made some major changes before last season, and it translated into success. He also was very good in his first go at AAA, with a solid overall line and very nice SLG.

Considering he had never shown the type of pop he did in 2016 before, I can place some credence in the concept of a still-developing player finding the swing change he needed.

If you've followed his minor league history, which i assume you haven't, he's a guy who was drafted with a very mature approach and nice raw power but not a ton of power production.

Before the 14 season, he bulked up a bit and made some major swing changes. It resulted in translating more of his power when he connected but sapping his average and obp skills.

He returned to something closer to his old approach and timing mechanisms last year, and took off. I think it's legit.


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Old 02-01-2017, 01:05 PM   #1654
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Regardless of what Hunter does for the rest of his minor league career, people (myself included) will always have 2014 stuck in the mind when considering his value. It was THAT bad.

All that is forgotten if he gets to the ML level and produces though.
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:52 PM   #1655
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Which Dozier (Twins or the Royals)? If you want to swap our Dozier for Luke Weaver. I'm game. Heck I think I would strongly consider Cuthbert for Weaver.


I'd do Dozier but not Cuthbert.



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Old 02-01-2017, 04:16 PM   #1656
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Old 02-01-2017, 04:28 PM   #1657
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Old 02-01-2017, 04:29 PM   #1658
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Regardless of what Hunter does for the rest of his minor league career, people (myself included) will always have 2014 stuck in the mind when considering his value. It was THAT bad.

All that is forgotten if he gets to the ML level and produces though.
Not really, it allowed the Royals to have the money to get Manena.
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Old 02-01-2017, 04:34 PM   #1659
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Isn't Hammel still available?



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Duffy bought it for Ventura's mom.
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Dude said he didn't want the money for it so Duffy said he wanted to send him some autographed stuff (by Duffy) on account of it. Respect all around.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:44 PM   #1665
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That WildCard game was the first time I ever had all my children fully attentive at the TV screen watching the Royals. All 3 girls and my son... and wife even. They were jumping and cheering like I had never seen them before. It will definitely be a memory I keep for the rest of my years.
Yep - they're hooked for life. A whole generation missed out on that. But my generation got to experience it in the 70s-80s, then got to re-experience it with their kids in 14-15.
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