Call Your Shot: Who’s the Chiefs first selection in the 2020 Draft

[staylor26]

I’m going with Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

And aggressively went after Schwartz in FA.

Aggressively? I don't recall that happening.

Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson signed elsewhere at the start of free agency, so Dorsey targeted Schwartz, who already had a deal in place with the Browns. His brother convinced him to take less money once the Chiefs contacted his agent because they both felt KC was a better fit for him than Cleveland.

But the Chiefs weren't outbidding teams.

All that said, Reid appears to be content with drafting guys late and grooming them to fit his specific needs, to which he's had quite a bit of success, so it's a bit difficult to see him suddenly shift philosophies and draft a guy high when there are so many other areas that could be upgraded immediately.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Aggressively? I don't recall that happening.

Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson signed elsewhere at the start of free agency, so Dorsey targeted Schwartz, who already had a deal in place with the Browns. His brother and agent convinced him to take less money once the Chiefs contacted his agent because they thought it was a better fit for him than Cleveland.

But they weren't outbidding teams.

I don't recall it happening like that. Think the Browns just let him walk because *shrugs* and the Chiefs/Geoff did a hard courting press to land him because they couldn't offer the best contract. Then again, 5 years ago or however long ago feels like 30 years ago right now.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

there are so many other areas that could be upgraded immediately.

You mean like Left Guard?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Aggressively? I don't recall that happening.

Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson signed elsewhere at the start of free agency, so Dorsey targeted Schwartz, who already had a deal in place with the Browns. His brother convinced him to take less money once the Chiefs contacted his agent because they both felt KC was a better fit for him than Cleveland.

But the Chiefs weren't outbidding teams.

All that said, Reid appears to be content with drafting guys late and grooming them to fit his specific needs, to which he's had quite a bit of success, so it's a bit difficult to see him suddenly shift philosophies and draft a guy high when there are so many other areas that could be upgraded immediately.

The Browns yanked their offer, though - IIRC. They had a weird front office situation and when he was sitting on their offer, they pulled it.

Though I agree with you that they weren't out there looking to re-set the RT market. We recognized at the time they got him at/below market price.

They knew they needed a RT and got the best one available at a good price. Was that an 'aggressive pursuit'? Eh...not terribly so. Certainly not what they did with guys like Wakings and Clark, or even Mathieu (who they appeared to be unwilling to take 'no' on).

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

"Something" happens to Williams each and every year, which is why he has 1,200 rushing yards in 6 NFL seasons.

In no way, shape or form should the Chiefs fool themselves into believing that a 28 year old Damien Williams is suddenly going to be available for all 16 games, let alone 19 games.



Like the Colts game last year?



If you want to see 16 Chiefs-Colts-like games in 2020, go into the season with the current crop of below average running backs.

I suppose we might struggle in games where we do not have Hill and Watson on the outside.

I just think that Washington is going to be a good backup for Williams. Not sure there will be much fall off when he is in. Not like Williams was a star or every down back in Miami. Hopefully Thompson makes a jump as well.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I don't recall it happening like that. Think the Browns just let him walk because *shrugs* and the Chiefs/Geoff did a hard courting press to land him because they couldn't offer the best contract. Then again, 5 years ago or however long ago feels like 30 years ago right now.

Nope, it happened as I described. You can find the story on NFL.com and on Geoff Schwartz Twitter feed if you're so inclined.

Browns fans were dissing Schwartz and his agent on Geoff's Twitter feed because he turned down more money to leave the Browns, lol.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Shields68

I suppose we might struggle in games where we do not have Hill and Watson on the outside.

Did you watch the Colts game last season? McCoy was slightly effective but fumbled. The Colts ravaged Mahomes the entire game because they didn't have a running game, leading to a 19-13 loss.

Originally Posted by Shields68

I just think that Washington is going to be a good backup for Williams. Not sure there will be much fall off when he is in. Not like Williams was a star or every down back in Miami. Hopefully Thompson makes a jump as well.

Hopes and Ifs don't win NFL games

[Mecca]

The point still stands the Chiefs have been fine not overly investing in OL why would they start now?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

You mean like Left Guard?

Martinas Rankin looked very solid last year in limited duty and he should be a very solid piece moving forward.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nope, it happened as I described. You can find the story on NFL.com and on Geoff Schwartz Twitter feed if you're so inclined.

Browns fans were dissing Schwartz and his agent on Geoff's Twitter feed because he turned down more money to leave the Browns, lol.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/201...tchell_sc.html

1. Mitchell Schwartz: The Browns made Schwartz an offer shortly before the NFL Combine that was far below what he felt he could get on the open market. Sources said it was somewhere in the $7 million-a-year range. His agent, Deryk Gilmore, told the Browns that the former second-round pick would test free agency. Schwartz' goal was about $8 million to $10 million a year, taking into account the growing importance of the position against the Von Millers of the world. When Schwartz opted to test the market, the Browns assumed he was gone and turned their attention to other players.

But Gilmore told cleveland.com Thursday that Schwartz wanted to return to Cleveland and wishes he could've stayed. His fiancee is from here, he purchased a house here and he's entrenched in the community. After testing the market, which wasn't good for right tackles, Schwartz went back to the Browns in the hours before free agency and ultimately planned to accept their pre-combine offer. But they were informed by Cleveland that the offer no longer stood, at least not at $7 million a year. It may have been posturing on the Browns' part, but any hopes of reaching a deal were apparently dashed when NFL Network reported Wednesday morning that the Browns had pulled their offer.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Martinas Rankin looked very solid last year in limited duty and he should be a very solid piece moving forward.

Maybe

I'm not making the case that going Guard is the best move, which isn't the case. I'm just preparing myself for it happening because I just won't be surprised if they take a lineman of some sort is all.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The point still stands the Chiefs have been fine not overly investing in OL why would they start now?

Because the True Fans never went away. They just went into hiding.

I really thought this nonsense would end with Mahomes throwing 50 TD's behind a line of mostly backups in 2018 but here we are in 2020 and it's back, like it never went away.

I've had guys argue with me that center is more important than running back, even though the Chiefs don't have shit at the RB position heading into this season.

It's like we've time-warped back to 2007.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Did you watch the Colts game last season? McCoy was slightly effective but fumbled. The Colts ravaged Mahomes the entire game because they didn't have a running game, leading to a 19-13 loss.

Hopes and Ifs don't win NFL games

Mahomes didn't have Watkins, a healthy Hill, or most of his starting OL.

There were a lot of reasons the Colts defense beat up the Chiefs last year and it had as much to do with a bad set of circumstance for the passing game as it did the absence of a quality starting RB.

Ultimately we didn't have much at RB all year and for the most part, it was an afterthought. There were a TON of problems in that Colts game - I'd put the absence of Williams at maybe 5th on the list of causes.

[OKchiefs]

Why can't there be a middle ground? I personally don't want a 1st round OL, at least not for another year or two when we need to replace one of the tackles. But I also don't agree with them constantly waiting until the 6th round to take OL. IMO the 3rd-4th is the sweet spot where you should be able to find quality G/C who can step in and contribute before too long. I wouldn't call that "over investing".

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Did you watch the Colts game last season? McCoy was slightly effective but fumbled. The Colts ravaged Mahomes the entire game because they didn't have a running game, leading to a 19-13 loss.



Hopes and Ifs don't win NFL games

Teams are able to play differently when Hill is not in the game. Not to mention Watson. So sure. If we have to play without both of them and if Hardeman does not improve we will need a running game or we could take a Wr, in case they are both out again.

As for the hopes and ifs, sort of back to trusting Veech. With Washington I have this as a better set of RB's then we had last year. McCoy fumbled way to much. Washington is an upgrade. Thompson should be better.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Why can't there be a middle ground? I personally don't want a 1st round OL, at least not for another year or two when we need to replace one of the tackles. But I also don't agree with them constantly waiting until the 6th round to take OL. IMO the 3rd-4th is the sweet spot where you should be able to find quality G/C who can step in and contribute before too long. I wouldn't call that "over investing".

Reid won't half-ass the OTs.

It's just not how the shell concept works.

You'll see 1st/2nd day capital used on an OT, maybe as early as this season. Reid saw his Philly tenure implode when he couldn't keep healthy/effective OTs on the roster and I don't think he'll let that happen again.

[MahiMike]

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