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'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-04-2018, 08:39 AM

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Name names.

Jon Jay, Randy Choate, Pete Kozma come to mind. Also, Descalso and Mark Ellis, who was arguably the worst 2B in team history but kept getting trotted out there for months.

Eleazar · 12-04-2018, 08:38 AM

Why is the Royals thread about the Cardinals?

Chiefspants · 12-04-2018, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

Why is the Royals thread about the Cardinals?

Hiring a person who had notoriously and very publicly lost his locker room (a fact backed up by multiple sources). Tends to do that - especially when you're in the process of rebuilding with young players.

Still waiting for that Cardinal fan to speak his praises! I know a lot of people compare him to Yost, but no one ever said Yost was bad with the players - they just said he was a horrific bullpen manager (and yeah, there was something to that).

Prison Bitch · 12-04-2018, 09:34 AM

The "stupidity" comment wasn't leveled at you at all. But, I hold yiuband Duncan to a higher standard here. That's why I'm still on this, I wouldn't if it was say Lewdog or just the BFIBs acting stupidly. I'm genuinely surprised you and Duncan didn't see this for what it was: anti-religious bigotry masquerading as "analysis".

Make no mistake tho: the Cards beat writer absolutely saw it.

duncan_idaho · 12-04-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The "stupidity" comment wasn't leveled at you at all. But, I hold yiuband Duncan to a higher standard here. That's why I'm still on this, I wouldn't if it was say Lewdog or just the BFIBs acting stupidly. I'm genuinely surprised you and Duncan didn't see this for what it was: anti-religious bigotry masquerading as "analysis".

Make no mistake tho: the Cards beat writer absolutely saw it.

Ben Frederickson is not a beat writer (columnist) and was not in St. Louis for the first five years or so of Matheny’s time as manager.

I wouldn’t expect him to have the insight into why Allen Craig and Pete Kozma and etc. were getting playing time their performance didn’t warrant, at the expense of young players or better alternatives.

Joe Strauss, Bernie Miklasz, Derrick Goold... They were there. Believe the thought the Bible study group membership was influencing playing time decisions originated from comments from them. I never saw one of those directly because I don’t follow the Cardinals that closely, but people who did saw them.

Regardless, the fact remains that in addition to his worst-in-MLB bullpen management, Matheny had trouble with young player development, he had trouble connecting with all of his clubhouse, he lost big parts of his clubhouse, and he consistently played underperforming veterans for far too long.

He’s a terrible option for a rebuilding club that is planning to go young, young, young...

Remember the days of Ross Gload getting tons of PT over younger options? That’s the type of stuff Matheny is infamous for. No thank you.

Prison Bitch · 12-04-2018, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Ben Frederickson is not a beat writer (columnist) and was not in St. Louis for the first five years or so of Matheny’s time as manager.

I wouldn’t expect him to have the insight into why Allen Craig and Pete Kozma and etc. were getting playing time their performance didn’t warrant, at the expense of young players or better alternatives.

Joe Strauss, Bernie Miklasz, Derrick Goold... They were there. Believe the thought the Bible study group membership was influencing playing time decisions originated from comments from them. I never saw one of those directly because I don’t follow the Cardinals that closely, but people who did saw them.

Regardless, the fact remains that in addition to his worst-in-MLB bullpen management, Matheny had trouble with young player development, he had trouble connecting with all of his clubhouse, he lost big parts of his clubhouse, and he consistently played underperforming veterans for far too long.

He’s a terrible option for a rebuilding club that is planning to go young, young, young...

Remember the days of Ross Gload getting tons of PT over younger options? That’s the type of stuff Matheny is infamous for. No thank you.

Derrick Goold and Ben Fredrickson already weighed in on this - and both agree fully with me. I'll go ahead and downgrade you from their level, and put you in the BFIB bucket with Mecca, Rabbi, Hamas and Bigfatqueef. Congrats!

As the Warden told Andy Dufresne in Shawshank: "I'm pulling you out of that 1-bunk Hilton and casting you down with the sodomites"

duncan_idaho · 12-04-2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Derrick Goold and Ben Fredrickson already weighed in on this - and both agree fully with me. I'll go ahead and downgrade you from their level, and put you in the BFIB bucket with Mecca, Rabbi, Hamas and Bigfatqueef. Congrats!

As the Warden told Andy Dufresne in Shawshank: "I'm pulling you out of that 1-bunk Hilton and casting you down with the sodomites"

Show me Goold weighing on it and I’ll completely discount the rumors.

Prison Bitch · 12-04-2018, 12:40 PM

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Show me Goold weighing on it and I’ll completely discount the rumors.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=146

WhawhaWhat · 12-04-2018, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Derrick Goold and Ben Fredrickson already weighed in on this - and both agree fully with me.

You agreed with them.

Mecca · 12-04-2018, 10:49 AM

Bitch is defending Matheny...that's a hell of a hill to die on.

dallaschiefsfan · 12-05-2018, 02:07 PM

If anything, I'd guess that Matheny is the equivalent of a player reclamation project. They see things they like...but want him in their system to see if they can fix what they don't like. They might just want him around Yost to see if he can learn from what Yost learned about his own mistakes in Milwaukee. It won't make him any better of a tactician (Yost has never really developed on that end, either), but it could move him towards being a better manager to players. It's not a terrible idea. I doubt it's a given at all that he's next in line, regardless.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-05-2018, 02:11 PM

There's literally nothing he does that's worth reclamation. He's bad at handling players, bad at in-game strategy, and knows dick about analytics. But yeah, good luck getting a guy whose book was called a manifesto in its own title to soften up how he handles players.

MVChiefFan · 12-05-2018, 02:51 PM

Royals sign Chris Owings.

Why Not? · 12-05-2018, 02:55 PM

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Royals sign Chris Owings.

Decent. Had an awful year last year. Prior to that he was a decent utility guy with some pop who could steal a base or two.

MVChiefFan · 12-05-2018, 03:02 PM

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Decent. Had an awful year last year. Prior to that he was a decent utility guy with some pop who could steal a base or two.

Yeah, seemed to have some hard luck hitting last year. Hopefully, he can turn it around.

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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	The "stupidity" comment wasn't leveled at you at all. But, I hold yiuband Duncan to a higher standard here. That's why I'm still on this, I wouldn't if it was say Lewdog or just the BFIBs acting stupidly. I'm genuinely surprised you and Duncan didn't see this for what it was: anti-religious bigotry masquerading as "analysis". Make no mistake tho: the Cards beat writer absolutely saw it.
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dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $4338850	If anything, I'd guess that Matheny is the equivalent of a player reclamation project. They see things they like...but want him in their system to see if they can fix what they don't like. They might just want him around Yost to see if he can learn from what Yost learned about his own mistakes in Milwaukee. It won't make him any better of a tactician (Yost has never really developed on that end, either), but it could move him towards being a better manager to players. It's not a terrible idea. I doubt it's a given at all that he's next in line, regardless. __________________
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7919572	There's literally nothing he does that's worth reclamation. He's bad at handling players, bad at in-game strategy, and knows dick about analytics. But yeah, good luck getting a guy whose book was called a manifesto in its own title to soften up how he handles players. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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