Football Which QB is better: Dak Prescott or Lamar Jackson? - Page 14

Deberg_1990 · 09-30-2020, 11:01 AM

Was just talking about this with coworkers.

Most agreed Dak overall was better. Both will be looking to get paid soon.

Who’s the better QB?

PAChiefsGuy · 10-01-2020, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Somebody needs bitch slap Marcellus Wiley, and anytime he starts talking about Lamar's great stats, just ask him, "Dude, do you even WATCH the games?!"

Anybody with eyes can plainly see that Lamar isn't a bad passer, but he IS limited. If he had the arm talent that Wiley insists he does, he'd do a lot better than 3100 yards passing.

"It's because he runs so much!!" Again, if he trusted his arm to the level of the NFL's top passers, he'd probably cut his carries in half and crack 4000 yards passing like Michael Vick did for Andy Reid in Philly.

He's got 47 TDs and 9 iNTs for his career. I'd say he trusts his arm just fine

**RealSNR** · 10-01-2020, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

He's got 47 TDs and 9 iNTs for his career. I'd say he trusts his arm just fine

An NFL MVP threw for 3100 yards.

3100 yards.

In 2020. Not 1920.

BlackOp · 10-01-2020, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

He's got 47 TDs and 9 iNTs for his career. I'd say he trusts his arm just fine

He's probably going to need it...

As Simms pointed out...Spagnuolo implemented elements of the Titans play-off game. Ravens are 2-2 over their last 4...looks like there might be a blueprint forming.

**Rain Man** · 10-01-2020, 12:17 PM

Here's another graph that shows QB win% as compared to the percentage of their yards that comes by rushing (their rushing, not the team's). Again, Lamar Jackson isn't shown but he's an extreme outlier on both axes with an 84% win percentage and 42 percent of his yards coming via the run. So he's an oddity and is unique so far among NFL quarterbacks, albeit with a very small sample size.

As we can see, the Super Bowls are won by the guys who rely on their arms far more than their legs. Russell Wilson is the big outlier here.

DRM08 · 10-01-2020, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

He's probably going to need it...

As Simms pointed out...Spagnuolo implemented elements of the Titans play-off game. Ravens are 2-2 over their last 4...looks like there might be a blueprint forming.

Ravens were also 2-2 last year and then ran off 12 wins in a row. Their schedule isn't the toughest in the world. I still expect them to get 12+ wins.

staylor26 · 10-01-2020, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

An NFL MVP threw for 3100 yards.

3100 yards.

In 2020. Not 1920.

But but but TD’s!!!!

Blake Bortles threw 30+ TD’s in a season before...

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 10-01-2020, 12:31 PM

Lamar is the bloated deer on the side of the road. Varments will start eating at the ass

**MahiMike** · 10-01-2020, 01:55 PM

Everyone seems to get suckered in on these QB comparisons by looking at strictly their physical talent. I've said many times that the most important thing for a QB is his brain. A brilliant mind with average talent will most likely be better than a guy with the opposite traits.

Guys like Alex Smith win just as many games as the Dak's and Lamar's.

But when you get all the above + the "IT" factor, you end up with the league killers. Russell, Aaron, Patrick, Tom.

Big Ben is the only other QB playing today that has a shot at winning the SB. He defies the big brain theory but he substitutes situational knowledge for it and also has the "IT" factor.

These 2 guys we're talking about in this thread only have the physical talent. I don't see them ever winning a SB.

Megatron96 · 10-01-2020, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Ravens were also 2-2 last year and then ran off 12 wins in a row. Their schedule isn't the toughest in the world. I still expect them to get 12+ wins.

Agreed. The Ravens and Lamar don't have any trouble beating the rest of the league. They only appear to have trouble with the Chiefs and maybe the Titans.

And while you can say that Spags provided a blueprint for stopping BAL, you actually have to have a front 4 that can generate a consistent rush. Not every team has the horses to do that.

And even if a team has the talent, then they also have to be very disciplined. You watch what our guys did and how disciplined they were in their lanes all night; it's about as consistent as I've ever seen any front four play for 4 quarters. Ditto our LBs and safeties. They all played about as disciplined as I've ever seen any defense play outside of NE.

So BAL will probably bulldoze through most of the rest of their games and end up right there with a 13-3 or 14-2 record.

DJJasonp · 10-01-2020, 02:00 PM

the smith comparison to Dak is pretty spot-on.

In the games I've watched Dak, he seems intent on not taking too many shots downfield, and only throwing high-percentage passes.

Which is fine - and I'd still take that over a 5 year span than I would Lamar.......as Lamar is a running back, masquerading as a QB.

DJ's left nut · 10-01-2020, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Agreed. The Ravens and Lamar don't have any trouble beating the rest of the league. They only appear to have trouble with the Chiefs and maybe the Titans.

And while you can say that Spags provided a blueprint for stopping BAL, you actually have to have a front 4 that can generate a consistent rush. Not every team has the horses to do that.

And even if a team has the talent, then they also have to be very disciplined. You watch what our guys did and how disciplined they were in their lanes all night; it's about as consistent as I've ever seen any front four play for 4 quarters. Ditto our LBs and safeties. They all played about as disciplined as I've ever seen any defense play outside of NE.

So BAL will probably bulldoze through most of the rest of their games and end up right there with a 13-3 or 14-2 record.

The Steelers could beat 'em twice.

Powerful passing game, really good pass rush and a stout interior line (even if it is a stupid 3-4).

And nobody is immune from the 'stupid loss' game. The Ravens lost to Cleveland last year.

The Colts have an incredibly smart, well coached defense that could give them trouble, especially if Buckner and Houston are healthy. The Titans fisted 'em in the playoffs and BB always seems to come up with something for big games.

I think they have 3 more losses on their schedule and could easily settle in at 12-4 or even 11-5. With the tiebreaker in hand, the Chiefs really are in the driver's seat here.

They have a 5 game stretch from the end of October (Pitt, Indy, NE, TN, Pitt) that could easily see them losing 3 of those games. And we've NEVER seen leadership chops from Lamar - he's always been able to lead from in front. If they lose 2 of the first 3, it's not impossible to see them drop 4 of 5 in there.

The 3 games before it and 5 games after it are cake, but again - everyone drops a dumb one.

htismaqe · 10-01-2020, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Agreed. The Ravens and Lamar don't have any trouble beating the rest of the league. They only appear to have trouble with the Chiefs and maybe the Titans.

And while you can say that Spags provided a blueprint for stopping BAL, you actually have to have a front 4 that can generate a consistent rush. Not every team has the horses to do that.

And even if a team has the talent, then they also have to be very disciplined. You watch what our guys did and how disciplined they were in their lanes all night; it's about as consistent as I've ever seen any front four play for 4 quarters. Ditto our LBs and safeties. They all played about as disciplined as I've ever seen any defense play outside of NE.

So BAL will probably bulldoze through most of the rest of their games and end up right there with a 13-3 or 14-2 record.

11-5.

OKchiefs · 10-01-2020, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Agreed. The Ravens and Lamar don't have any trouble beating the rest of the league. They only appear to have trouble with the Chiefs and maybe the Titans.

And while you can say that Spags provided a blueprint for stopping BAL, you actually have to have a front 4 that can generate a consistent rush. Not every team has the horses to do that.

And even if a team has the talent, then they also have to be very disciplined. You watch what our guys did and how disciplined they were in their lanes all night; it's about as consistent as I've ever seen any front four play for 4 quarters. Ditto our LBs and safeties. They all played about as disciplined as I've ever seen any defense play outside of NE.

So BAL will probably bulldoze through most of the rest of their games and end up right there with a 13-3 or 14-2 record.

I'm of the opinion that we are seeing Lamar come back to Earth somewhat. He was never going to have nearly as efficient of a season as he did last year. Pittsburgh isn't the pushover they were a year ago and I see them putting up a dogfight against Baltimore. They also have other games that are in no way gimmes like Indianapolis, New England, Tennessee, and Dallas. That's 6 remaining games against teams that are completely capable of taking down Baltimore. They'll still probably win 12 games or so, but I wouldn't expect them to run away with the division again. Pittsburgh will put up a good fight. Lamar also isn't going to come close to approaching his MVP season numbers.

htismaqe · 10-01-2020, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

I'm of the opinion that we are seeing Lamar come back to Earth somewhat. He was never going to have nearly as efficient of a season as he did last year. Pittsburgh isn't the pushover they were a year ago and I see them putting up a dogfight against Baltimore. They also have other games that are in no way gimmes like Indianapolis, New England, Tennessee, and Dallas. That's 6 remaining games against teams that are completely capable of taking down Baltimore. They'll still probably win 12 games or so, but I wouldn't expect them to run away with the division again. Pittsburgh will put up a good fight. Lamar also isn't going to come close to approaching his MVP season numbers.

EVERYTHING went right for them last year. Lamar was super efficient. The defense was near perfect. They had virtually zero injuries.

The stars pretty much aligned for them. That's not happening again.

Pasta Little Brioni · 10-01-2020, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

An NFL MVP threw for 3100 yards.

3100 yards.

In 2020. Not 1920.

That's a very impressive season for a Running Back

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MahiMike He's Mahomie! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jax, FL Casino cash: $10023443	Everyone seems to get suckered in on these QB comparisons by looking at strictly their physical talent. I've said many times that the most important thing for a QB is his brain. A brilliant mind with average talent will most likely be better than a guy with the opposite traits. Guys like Alex Smith win just as many games as the Dak's and Lamar's. But when you get all the above + the "IT" factor, you end up with the league killers. Russell, Aaron, Patrick, Tom. Big Ben is the only other QB playing today that has a shot at winning the SB. He defies the big brain theory but he substitutes situational knowledge for it and also has the "IT" factor. These 2 guys we're talking about in this thread only have the physical talent. I don't see them ever winning a SB.
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DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $1665200	the smith comparison to Dak is pretty spot-on. In the games I've watched Dak, he seems intent on not taking too many shots downfield, and only throwing high-percentage passes. Which is fine - and I'd still take that over a 5 year span than I would Lamar.......as Lamar is a running back, masquerading as a QB. __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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