Star Wars Episode IX - SPOILER THREAD

[Sassy Squatch]

So what Finn wanted to tell Rey the whole movie was that he's force sensitive.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

So what Finn wanted to tell Rey the whole movie was that he's force sensitive.

Is that so? I never found out what Finns secret was.

Going a diff direction, my 7&9 year old boys loved it. They knew all the characters and loved seeing them come on screen. These movies aren’t made for dads they’re made for their kids. Lucas aptly said re: criticisms of Jar Jar: “These are kids movies”. And he’s right.

Personally I liked Palpatine’s role in the movie. Why does it matter if his granddaughter was hidden? Why is that impossible? Luke and Leia were hidden. Since I read no spoilers I had no clue that was her heritage

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Personally I liked Palpatine’s role in the movie. Why does it matter if his granddaughter was hidden? Why is that impossible? Luke and Leia were hidden.

It's not believable within the context of the larger story.

Anakin didn't know his children had survived Padme's death. I can believe that.

If they had provided some kind of explanation for:

1. Why grandpa Palps was clappin' cheeks (really ****ing stupid)
2. How the most powerful being in the galaxy managed to lose track of his only son.
3. How he ALSO managed to lose track of his incredibly powerful force sensitive granddaughter.

I maybe could have bought it.

But they didn't even try to explain shit.

It's not believable whatsoever. It's lazy storytelling because Snoke got kilt. As is making Rey ABSURDLY powerful. More powerful than ANY Jedi we've ever seen before.

If the Jedi Masters on the old council had her powers, Palpatine would have been ****ed.

Stupid, lazy, hamfisted Jar Jar Abrams storytelling.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It's not believable within the context of the larger story.

Anakin didn't know his children had survived Padme's death. I can believe that.

He didn’t know where “Obi-Ben” was hiding out? He knew Ben didn’t die so why wasn’t he able to locate him. And he was just down the street from his own son. Isn’t that as big a plot hole ?

If they had provided some kind of explanation for:

1. Why grandpa Palps was clappin' cheeks (really ****ing stupid)

I assumed the son was a test tube baby. His Jango Fett

2. How the most powerful being in the galaxy managed to lose track of his only son.

Same way Anakin did

3. How he ALSO managed to lose track of his incredibly powerful force sensitive granddaughter.

I maybe could have bought it.

But they didn't even try to explain shit.

What explanation suffices? If they told you daddy was a test tube baby does that make this plot better ?

It's not believable whatsoever. It's lazy storytelling because Snoke got kilt. As is making Rey ABSURDLY powerful. More powerful than ANY Jedi we've ever seen before.

If the Jedi Masters on the old council had her powers, Palpatine would have been ****ed.

Stupid, lazy, hamfisted Jar Jar Abrams storytelling.

Seems Yoda was the most powerful given how long he lived and how many he trained and his infinity-somersault saber powers. (May the prequels be damned forever)

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He didn’t know where “Obi-Ben” was hiding out? He knew Ben didn’t die so why wasn’t he able to locate him. And he was just down the street from his own son. Isn’t that as big a plot hole ?

No. Tatooine is on the outer rim, far from where Vader was hanging out, and Anakin hated Tatooine. It's where his mother died. It's not surprising he would never go there ever again. Ben chose his hiding place wisely. As did Yoda. Tatooine is basically sand Dagobah.

That is believable.

I assumed the son was a test tube baby. His Jango Fett

Makes it even more implausible he'd lose track of him. Not buying it.

Same way Anakin did

This is possible IF you explain something, but it still isn't believable. I can believe Anakin getting it on. I CAN'T believe the Emperor doing it.

What explanation suffices? If they told you daddy was a test tube baby does that make this plot better ?

No. There has to be a believable setup explaining how things came to be. When the prequels do a better job of that shit, your movie has a problem.

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It's not believable within the context of the larger story.

Anakin didn't know his children had survived Padme's death. I can believe that.

If they had provided some kind of explanation for:

1. Why grandpa Palps was clappin' cheeks (really ****ing stupid)
2. How the most powerful being in the galaxy managed to lose track of his only son.
3. How he ALSO managed to lose track of his incredibly powerful force sensitive granddaughter.

I maybe could have bought it.

But they didn't even try to explain shit.

It's not believable whatsoever. It's lazy storytelling because Snoke got kilt. As is making Rey ABSURDLY powerful. More powerful than ANY Jedi we've ever seen before.

If the Jedi Masters on the old council had her powers, Palpatine would have been ****ed.

Stupid, lazy, hamfisted Jar Jar Abrams storytelling.

Problem is we know nothing about Palpatine from episode 6 to episode 9. Did he die when he fell down the shaft & was somehow resurrected or did he just become very weak? If he died it would seem being dead he would have a hard time keeping track of his son. Rey would have been born about 10 years after he died so the fact that he even had a force sensitive granddaughter would not be something he would automatically know about.

Even if he survived in a weak state he lost all his resources so it doesn't seem difficult to see how his son could have escaped a weak Palpatine recovering form injuries without legions of storm troopers at his disposal. Again once Palps lost track of him the fact that he had a daughter would not necessarily be known to him.

I also don't find it hard to believe a guy who was the emperor of the entire known galaxy had a harem of women or that he may have attempted to create an heir in some way.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

Even if he survived in a weak state he lost all his resources so it doesn't seem difficult to see how his son could have escaped a weak Palpatine recovering form injuries without legions of storm troopers at his disposal.

Uh, Palpatine's son was born before BEFORE Return of the Jedi.

So, at the height of the Emperor's powers, not only was he HAVING SEX, he had a son, and somehow this kid got away? And also had his own offspring?

The whole thing isn't believable to begin with, and with zero explanation, it's even less believable.

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Uh, Palpatine's son was born before BEFORE Return of the Jedi.

The whole thing isn't believable to begin with, and with zero explanation, it's even less believable.

I understand that, say he had Rey when he was 20, he would have been 10 during RotJ, he could easily have slipped away during the craziness going on with the fall of the empire & Palpatine wouldn't have had the strength or the resources to track him at that point. If he was even alive. We don't know at what point he came back or gained enough strength to bother attempting to find his son and any children they may have had.

I'm not suggesting he lost his son at the height of his power, just the opposite. I'm suggesting he could have lost him at the low point of his power after Vader threw him down the shaft & he lost control of the armies of troops at his disposal. And again I'm not sure why the Emperor wouldn't want to have sex, but if you think it's unbelievable that the most powerful person in the galaxy would want to have sex I don't know what to say other than I disagree.

You're right though, the issue is they didn't bother to explain any of it. A reasonable explanation could be made, they just didn't. I understand they were already trying to cram too much into the movie as is in order to attempt to salvage a story out of where TLJ left them. But even a note in the opening crawl explaining Palpatines basic backstory could have helped a lot

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

I'm not sure why the Emperor wouldn't want to have sex, but if you think it's unbelievable that the most powerful person in the galaxy would want to have sex I don't know what to say other than I disagree.

You don't understand the character of the Emperor if you think this is plausible.

It's like saying "when did Voldemort get it on?"

Uh, probably didn't, bub. More important, evil things to be doing.

Also, the actor playing Palpatine's son is 30. So him being 20 when Palpatine dies doesn't jive.

It's not believable at all to me that after Palpatine died his son wouldn't throw in with the remnants of the Empire and raise the granddaughter of Palpatine to serve the bad guys.

Also, WHO THE **** DID PALPATINE BONE? WHERE THE **** WAS SHE?

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-pal...er-birth-when/

Billy Howle, who portrays Rey's father, offers some context in this regard with his age of thirty. Going by Howle's age, this points to Rey's father having been born some time during the reign of the Empire.

While this does partially fill in the blanks of Rey being Palpatine's descendant, there nevertheless remains one piece of the puzzle without a clear answer: the identity of Rey's grandmother. While the movie zeroes in on the reveal of Rey's blood relation to Palpatine as the unexpected twist that it indeed is, nothing is said about exactly who Palpatine had a son with. Given that Rey's father was most likely conceived during Palpatine's reign as Emperor, this opens the question of who his would-be bride was, and where she was during the Rebellion's final battle against the Empire

In the end, I've seen more believable plotlines in utter trash films like...I dunno...****ing WILLOW.

This movie dragged Star Wars down into mindless popcorn fare. Palpatine was reduced to a goddamn Power Rangers villain.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

Problem is we know nothing about Palpatine from episode 6 to episode 9. Did he die when he fell down the shaft & was somehow resurrected or did he just become very weak? If he died it would seem being dead he would have a hard time keeping track of his son. Rey would have been born about 10 years after he died so the fact that he even had a force sensitive granddaughter would not be something he would automatically know about.

Even if he survived in a weak state he lost all his resources so it doesn't seem difficult to see how his son could have escaped a weak Palpatine recovering form injuries without legions of storm troopers at his disposal. Again once Palps lost track of him the fact that he had a daughter would not necessarily be known to him.

I also don't find it hard to believe a guy who was the emperor of the entire known galaxy had a harem of women or that he may have attempted to create an heir in some way.

Since Palpatine was resurrected, who resurrected him? If he did it himself why doesn’t he just do again now?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Since Palpatine was resurrected, who resurrected him? If he did it himself why doesn’t he just do again now?

You're starting to get it.

Flimsy ass setup with zero logical exposition.

Bad film-making. Bad story-telling.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

You're starting to get it.

Flimsy ass setup with zero logical exposition.

Bad film-making. Bad story-telling.

Would it make you angry if they made another trilogy where Palpatine just kept coming back over and over, like Freddy Krueger?

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Is that so? I never found out what Finns secret was.

Going a diff direction, my 7&9 year old boys loved it. They knew all the characters and loved seeing them come on screen. These movies aren’t made for dads they’re made for their kids. Lucas aptly said re: criticisms of Jar Jar: “These are kids movies”. And he’s right.

Personally I liked Palpatine’s role in the movie. Why does it matter if his granddaughter was hidden? Why is that impossible? Luke and Leia were hidden. Since I read no spoilers I had no clue that was her heritage

Supposedly according to Abrams.

https://fandomwire.com/2019/12/24/fi...lker-revealed/

When doing a screening of the film for The Academy of Motion Pictures, J.J. explained that Finn was trying to tell Rey something at a couple points throughout the film, which never paid off or fully explained by the end of the movie.

According to Abrams, Finn was actually just trying to tell Rey that he thinks he is Force sensitive. There are several moments in the film where Finn makes comments about feeling something, and or knowing something through intuition.

Which just seems...wierd. Just doesn't feel like something you say to someone right before you think you're going to die.