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Old 08-24-2019, 08:40 AM   #1
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Devils advocate here but...

If he wants to too odell money and pair that with the offfiekd stuff, the chiefs aren’t gonna pay him, then what?

I agree I wouldn’t trade him
It would be understandable if they traded him. He will get maximum value, and save the team a lot of cap.

If Mahomes is what we believe he is, the team should be fine. WR's don't win Superbowls, QB's and defense do.
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Old 08-24-2019, 08:49 AM   #2
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It would be understandable if they traded him. He will get maximum value, and save the team a lot of cap.

If Mahomes is what we believe he is, the team should be fine. WR's don't win Superbowls, QB's and defense do.
I don’t think there’s one way to win a Super Bowl

It’s hard and I think having as many elite players as you can will only help.


I don’t know that another team will give much of a premium for Hill right now though
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Old 08-24-2019, 08:52 AM   #3
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I don’t think there’s one way to win a Super Bowl

It’s hard and I think having as many elite players as you can will only help.


I don’t know that another team will give much of a premium for Hill right now though
I think we would all surprised at what Hill would bring. Other teams know exactly what he is.


With that said, you keep a HOF player.
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Old 08-24-2019, 08:54 AM   #4
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I think we would all surprised at what Hill would bring. Other teams know exactly what he is.


With that said, you keep a HOF player.
If the chiefs are scared off by the off field stuff I can’t imagine another team is willing to break the bank
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If the chiefs are scared off by the off field stuff I can’t imagine another team is willing to break the bank
I hope we don't find out what he's really worth.
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A GM might spend his entire career hoping to find a player like Hill...and considering the arm talent of Mahomes, it makes him more valuable than some arbitrary 1st round pick you hope might pan out.

Hill and Mahomes are untradable....having a guy that demands a double team takes out two defensive players every down.

There is literally no way Veach, being a former WR, trades him....
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:14 AM   #7
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It would be understandable if they traded him. He will get maximum value, and save the team a lot of cap.

If Mahomes is what we believe he is, the team should be fine. WR's don't win Superbowls, QB's and defense do.
I agree. Mahomes got Albert Wilson and Chris Conley paid. He lost Kareem Hunt and Sammy Watkins for half the season and still put up tons of points.

That’s why Chris Jones is more valuable than Tyreek Hill. You can replicate a lot of Tyreek Hill with Pat and Andy. Just look at the potential of Mecole Hardman. I don’t think this team could find another Chris Jones.

This team has no problem drafting and fitting offensive talent. They can’t find/fit defensive talent anywhere near the same frequency.
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I agree. Mahomes got Albert Wilson and Chris Conley paid. He lost Kareem Hunt and Sammy Watkins for half the season and still put up tons of points.

That’s why Chris Jones is more valuable than Tyreek Hill. You can replicate a lot of Tyreek Hill with Pat and Andy. Just look at the potential of Mecole Hardman. I don’t think this team could find another Chris Jones.

This team has no problem drafting and fitting offensive talent. They can’t find/fit defensive talent anywhere near the same frequency.
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Old 08-24-2019, 04:11 PM   #9
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I agree. Mahomes got Albert Wilson and Chris Conley paid. He lost Kareem Hunt and Sammy Watkins for half the season and still put up tons of points.

That’s why Chris Jones is more valuable than Tyreek Hill. You can replicate a lot of Tyreek Hill with Pat and Andy. Just look at the potential of Mecole Hardman. I don’t think this team could find another Chris Jones.

This team has no problem drafting and fitting offensive talent. They can’t find/fit defensive talent anywhere near the same frequency.
Hill is a first ballot HOF type of talent. Is Chris Jones?
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Hill is a first ballot HOF type of talent. Is Chris Jones?
Doubtful, Chris Jones was weak against the run last year. He sold out last year to get sacks so he could get a bigger contract. He said '**** it' and went all out for the QB whether it hurt our run defense or not. Chris Jones seem to do most of his damage by abusing centers. He was so quick he could lineup over the center and get through the gap before the center could close it off. I'm not sure he gets to do that in a 4-3 scheme. I would like to see Jones show a complete game before giving him a big contract.

I'm not concerned with Hill on the field at all. As long as the Chiefs protect themselves with Hill off the field in the next contract it's all good. We don't trade Hill until at least one tag year. By then we should know if Mahomes will make everyone good or if Hill is the exception
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Hill is a first ballot HOF type of talent. Is Chris Jones?
If he keeps getting double-digit sack seasons like last year, yes.
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