Captain Marvel

[DaFace]

What in the bloody hell are you guys pissed at RT for? On what planet does it make sense to allow people to submit a reaction to a movie before it's even out? I've thought it was weird they allowed that for years, and this is just the event that made it obvious that it's a problem.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by DaFace

What in the bloody hell are you guys pissed at RT for? On what planet does it make sense to allow people to submit a reaction to a movie before it's even out?

And there we go with the lie again.

They aren't reviewing a movie: it's a forum to discuss interest in a film. If anything fan chatter and word of mouth HELPS most films. High interest in a film is a good thing.

And good or bad the information a studio gains is very valuable. They get immediate feedback on the marketing of a film. This is important because films often spend nearly as much on the marketing as making the damned film itself. That's all this is a response to at this point because no one has seen the film.

The discussion is based on marketing and trailers and if you do or don't want to watch a film.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rausch

And there we go with the lie again.

They aren't reviewing a movie: it's a forum to discuss interest in a film. If anything fan chatter and word of mouth HELPS most films. High interest in a film is a good thing.

And good or bad the information a studio gains is very valuable. They get immediate feedback on the marketing of a film. This is important because films often spend nearly as much on the marketing as making the damned film itself. That's all this is a response to at this point because no one has seen the film.

The discussion is based on marketing and trailers and if you do or don't want to watch a film.

But it skews the data when trolls go out of their way to post negative reviews, sometimes under troll accounts, while the average viewer is business as usual. If the goal is for the average viewer to get a temperature on a movie... It's totally useless for the average user if trolls are downvoting stuff for reasons totally outside of the movie.

If I had a suggestion for RT, it would be to change the rating system to instead ask a follow up on why you thumbs up or thumbs downed it then figure out a better way to present the info. I could give a shit about an actors politics whether it's brie larson or Clint Eastwood. I just want to know if a movie is worth seeing.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But it skews the data when trolls go out of their way to post negative reviews, sometimes under troll accounts, while the average viewer is business as usual. If the goal is for the average viewer to get a temperature on a movie... It's totally useless for the average user if trolls are downvoting stuff for reasons totally outside of the movie.

If I had a suggestion for RT, it would be to change the rating system to instead ask a follow up on why you thumbs up or thumbs downed it then figure out a better way to present the info. I could give a shit about an actors politics whether it's brie larson or Clint Eastwood. I just want to know if a movie is worth seeing.

This whole thing just reeks of insecurity. I'm not a huge fan of Trump, but he, Ivanka, Cohen, and his whole crew can show up in Endgame for a cameo to talk about Russia and I'm still going to see it.

I just don't understand how people can live their lives SO PISSED OFF over politics. Just calm the **** down and enjoy an entertaining film.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But it skews the data when trolls go out of their way to post negative reviews, sometimes under troll accounts, while the average viewer is business as usual. If the goal is for the average viewer to get a temperature on a movie... It's totally useless for the average user if trolls are downvoting stuff for reasons totally outside of the movie.

If I had a suggestion for RT, it would be to change the rating system to instead ask a follow up on why you thumbs up or thumbs downed it then figure out a better way to present the info. I could give a shit about an actors politics whether it's brie larson or Clint Eastwood. I just want to know if a movie is worth seeing.

How many times does it need to be said... they aren't reviews for ****s sake.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by DaFace

What in the bloody hell are you guys pissed at RT for? On what planet does it make sense to allow people to submit a reaction to a movie before it's even out? I've thought it was weird they allowed that for years, and this is just the event that made it obvious that it's a problem.

I don't pay attention to RT. Never go to the site or use it to decide whether I'm going to see a movie or not, so take this for what it's worth.

I think it was described pretty well in first part of the 2nd video (I think) posted by Rausch. It's not a reaction to a movie that is not released yet, it is a reaction to the marketing that has people saying "Yes, I want to see this" or "No, I don't want to see this" with a comment as to why they do or don't. The first video covers it as well if I'm remembering correctly - the guy basically says that websites & media are confusing the "Want to See" percent with the "Audience Review" which are 2 completely different things - which even RT admits is part of the problem.

I'm sure there are a people that were saying "I don't want to see this" because for some racist/sexist/trolling reason, but he showed a few comments that were essentially "the trailers have done nothing for me. Think I'll pass on this one."

Which is where I'm at. I know nothing about the character and the trailers haven't gotten me excited to see this one. Has nothing to do with Larson's political opinions. I try to avoid actors/actresses political opinions because generally they don't align with most of mine. But, I'm going to see it in theaters. I won't be in line for opening weekend because I'm just meh about the movie, but I'll definitely see it in theaters.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

I don't pay attention to RT. Never go to the site or use it to decide whether I'm going to see a movie or not, so take this for what it's worth.

I think it was described pretty well in first part of the 2nd video (I think) posted by Rausch. It's not a reaction to a movie that is not released yet, it is a reaction to the marketing that has people saying "Yes, I want to see this" or "No, I don't want to see this" with a comment as to why they do or don't. The first video covers it as well if I'm remembering correctly - the guy basically says that websites & media are confusing the "Want to See" percent with the "Audience Review" which are 2 completely different things - which even RT admits is part of the problem.

I'm sure there are a people that were saying "I don't want to see this" because for some racist/sexist/trolling reason, but he showed a few comments that were essentially "the trailers have done nothing for me. Think I'll pass on this one."

Which is where I'm at. I know nothing about the character and the trailers haven't gotten me excited to see this one. Has nothing to do with Larson's political opinions. I try to avoid actors/actresses political opinions because generally they don't align with most of mine. But, I'm going to see it in theaters. I won't be in line for opening weekend because I'm just meh about the movie, but I'll definitely see it in theaters.

Sure, but it's the equivalent of people posting on ChiefsPlanet to have people help them rig a poll. It's vote brigading and clearly isn't at all representative of the universe of people who may or may not be interested in a film.

In other words, it's useless. So I don't blame them for dumping it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Sure, but it's the equivalent of people posting on ChiefsPlanet to have people help them rig a poll. It's vote brigading and clearly isn't at all representative of the universe of people who may or may not be interested in a film.

In other words, it's useless. So I don't blame them for dumping it.

Yup. And if it was a political site, fine. But average users just want a temperature check on the movie and id bet the majority of RT users want politics to stay the hell out of that experience. Granted... I totally get that it works the other way too. We don't need to be lectured about how much we were supposed to love black panther. But just as people want to separate politics from sports, at least for critical movie reviews id want that separation too. I don't think any Clint Eastwood movie provoked even close to this kind of response on RT.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Sure, but it's the equivalent of people posting on ChiefsPlanet to have people help them rig a poll. It's vote brigading and clearly isn't at all representative of the universe of people who may or may not be interested in a film.

In other words, it's useless. So I don't blame them for dumping it.

I get what you're saying. Essentially, you feel that people are going to RT to say they don't want to see it to just tank the score.

I didn't look at the comments on RT other than what was in the video, so I can't really argue the other side of that thought - that people generally have a "meh" attitude about the marketing thus far and legitimately don't want to see it.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by DaFace

What in the bloody hell are you guys pissed at RT for? On what planet does it make sense to allow people to submit a reaction to a movie before it's even out? I've thought it was weird they allowed that for years, and this is just the event that made it obvious that it's a problem.

This is a prime example of the problem as some have pointed out. It was fine to have something about who wants to see a movie. It showed who was interested in it. Obviously people are not as interested as they were with the other MCU movies.

You have people in this thread who you know aren't trolls falling in line with what was happening with their "Want to see" numbers but yet you still call it people being trolls. Head meet sand I guess.

It has nothing to do with reviews and it was perfectly fine having it. I don't think you watched either of Rausch's videos or you wouldn't have made this mistake... at least I don't think you would have.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

This is a prime example of the problem as some have pointed out. It was fine to have something about who wants to see a movie. It showed who was interested in it. Obviously people are not as interested as they were with the other MCU movies.

You have people in this thread who you know aren't trolls falling in line with what was happening with their "Want to see" numbers but yet you still call it people being trolls. Head meet sand I guess.

It has nothing to do with reviews and it was perfectly fine having it. I don't think you watched either of Rausch's videos or you wouldn't have made this mistake... at least I don't think you would have.

So to clarify, if I post a poll from the KC Star on ChiefsPlanet, tell people that they should help me rig it, and the KC Star chooses to take it down after noticing that people were being driven there to rig the poll, the KC Star is awful?

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by DaFace

So to clarify, if I post a poll from the KC Star on ChiefsPlanet, tell people that they should help me rig it, and the KC Star chooses to take it down after noticing that people were being driven there to rig the poll, the KC Star is awful?

If your business model is based on people going to your site and talking about/rating/reviewing (and then possibly buying tickets through them) a movie and you have to shut down part of the discussion on said movies because 1. they think people are trolling(and if they are can't seem to handle it) 2. Don't like the outcome of what some people are saying and/or 3. have people that just don't even understand what they are looking at on your site(cough, cough) then I think your business model could be in trouble.

You are trying to compare apples to lizards. Not even anywhere near close to what is being discussed here.

I think a better example would simply be you shutting down the Media Center sub forum because you had trolls in a certain thread. Why would you do that? Don't you just handle the trolls if that is what they truly are? It still isn't apples to apples but it is a lot closer to this scenario then your example.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

I think a better example would simply be you shutting down the Media Center sub forum because you had trolls in a certain thread. Why would you do that? Don't you just handle the trolls if that is what they truly are? It still isn't apples to apples but it is a lot closer to this scenario then your example.

Just for the record, it's not at all uncommon to boot the trolls from the thread and in some cases move the threads to the Romper Room.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Just for the record, it's not at all uncommon to boot the trolls from the thread and in some cases move the threads to the Romper Room.

Did they boot trolls? Did they only shut down this part for Captain Marvel?

No, they shutdown the entire piece of their website.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

This is a prime example of the problem as some have pointed out. It was fine to have something about who wants to see a movie. It showed who was interested in it. Obviously people are not as interested as they were with the other MCU movies.

You have people in this thread who you know aren't trolls falling in line with what was happening with their "Want to see" numbers but yet you still call it people being trolls. Head meet sand I guess.

It has nothing to do with reviews and it was perfectly fine having it. I don't think you watched either of Rausch's videos or you wouldn't have made this mistake... at least I don't think you would have.

In plenty of cases I'm sure these are fake or mult accounts. Or people who know nothing about the movie but were told to click on a link and go be outraged... That's basically trolling to me. It's a disservice to those who legitimately want an opinion. To me it's like Amazon... Do you want a good product to get a 2 star rating because one person had a bad experience, so he set up mult accounts and then set up a troll campaign where he blasted a link to hundreds of followers who voted on a product they never bought? That isn't due process. That's a rigged result. And it does a disservice to a person who genuinely wants to know bullshit aside whether to care about the movie or not. It doesn't matter if it's a rating or a temperature check, it's not at all what the site is intended to do.