1/31 Meck Mock

[bowener]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Houston would be an excellent RDE, I agree. I don't undervalue him at all, I just don't think anyone is worth $21 million on our cap that isn't named Mahomes. Nobody's going to pay Houston $21 million, so unless he seriously restructures, I don't see anyone taking him on trade. Easier to just wait until he's cut and then sign him on whatever you negotiate. I'd keep Houston in a heartbeat if you can get him to a reasonable cap number. I'm not certain you can, which is why I chose to cut him and sign Chris Long, who was nearly as productive at 1/5 the cost.

Long has a ring, has played on several good teams and been a leader for a long time. He and Wright along with Collins would be pretty stable leadership. That's why I chose them. Long is obviously a 1 to 2 year stop gap, so that's why I drafted Ferguson to spell/replace him.

The Colts and 9ers both need pass rushers, and would absolutely take Houston. If he walks you get essentially a 4th round draft pick for him. Either of those teams would probably be willing to give up at minimum a 3rd just to secure the rights to sign him long term. Ballard in Indy knows Houston is a solid player and veteran without an ego.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by bowener

The Colts and 9ers both need pass rushers, and would absolutely take Houston. If he walks you get essentially a 4th round draft pick for him. Either of those teams would probably be willing to give up at minimum a 3rd just to secure the rights to sign him long term. Ballard in Indy knows Houston is a solid player and veteran without an ego.

Most teams would take him. Who wants to take him at $21 million? NOBODY. I'd love to keep him at $12 million. Doubtful we can get his number down that far.

He's 30. He's often injured. He's productive when he plays, but not $21 million worth of production. He's overpriced at this point in his career. You're not trading that contract. Plus, every team would know if we were actively shopping him that he's not in our plans; therefore they just wait until we cut him and then go negotiate a deal with him.

[Dante84]

Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.

not at $4.6 million.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

not at $4.6 million.

I don't like Sorenson's cap number either but releasing him is only going to net us $2.7 in cap space. He is also at a position where we have limited depth and an issue with Berry. So again, are we really going to cut the guy because we have to have the 2.7M in cap relief he provides? I don't see it.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I don't like Sorenson's cap number either but releasing him is only going to net us $2.7 in cap space. He is also at a position where we have limited depth and an issue with Berry. So again, are we really going to cut the guy because we have to have the 2.7M in cap relief he provides? I don't see it.

$3.6 million June 1st.

shrug.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Sorensen played the game of his life against the Pats and Andy loves mormons. I think Dirty Dan returns this year.

But did Sorenson have a good game? He had a good tackle on 4th and 1, for sure. He had an interception. But it was a deflection that came right at him, it wasn't great coverage or skill or positioning he just caught a ball which came straight at him.

And for some reason lost in the mix is that he had several missed tackles and gave up 75 yards in coverage that game. Was it really that good?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Chargem

But did Sorenson have a good game? He had a good tackle on 4th and 1, for sure. He had an interception. But it was a deflection that came right at him, it wasn't great coverage or skill or positioning he just caught a ball which came straight at him.

And for some reason lost in the mix is that he had several missed tackles and gave up 75 yards in coverage that game. Was it really that good?

'zactly.

He's JAG. You can get that for league minimum.

[O.city]

You guys can keep trying to cut berry. I don't see it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

You guys can keep trying to cut berry. I don't see it.

I can't even bring myself to retype it anymore.

You have to be seeing only what you want to see to base any kind of projections on that possibility.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I can't even bring myself to retype it anymore.

You have to be seeing only what you want to see to base any kind of projections on that possibility.

Do you really think the Chiefs are going to cut him?

I don't. I think they're going to keep him around. They love him. Andy loves him.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I can't even bring myself to retype it anymore.

You have to be seeing only what you want to see to base any kind of projections on that possibility.

Look, I'll buy the arguments against if you can show me one semi-official statement that his injury will preclude a June 1 cut.

All I've seen is speculation on this board. Whether it's a 'football injury' or a 'non-football injury' or whether there's any kind of clause at all that says you can't cut him without dire cap consequences. I HAVE seen respected media members speculate that he could be a cap casualty on June 1.

so while I am interested in everyone's opinions and speculations, there's been no definitive word about whether or not this can or cannot be done by anyone who's job it is to know such things.

I've even asked for some definitive word; some link to someone in the know who could say for sure.

Nobody's come forward with anything. My queries go ignored.

So until then, yeah, I think if you CAN, you cut a guy that's your 3rd highest cap number who hasn't played meaninful football in two ****ing years. Not because I'm pissed at him, or think he's a piece of shit, or a bad person; or because I'm frustrated. I'd cut him because he's expensive, and you can't count on him and won't be able to this year either.

So YOU can say we can't cut him because INJURY, but you don't KNOW THAT. You SUSPECT that, you're PRETTY SURE of that, but you have absolutely no PROOF that it's the case.

If you've got some, I'm all ears. Until then, let us have fun playing armchair, GM, yeah? Where's your mock?

[Couch-Potato]

Awesome job! Love what you've done with the secondary!

The one tweak I would make is that I would tag Ford, trade Houston for a 5th if I can, forgo the Wright and Long signings, and go DL with the #64 pick.

Everyone seems ready to let Ford go but he seemed like the only bright spot on an otherwise dim defensive season.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Look, I'll buy the arguments against if you can show me one semi-official statement that his injury will preclude a June 1 cut.

All I've seen is speculation on this board. Whether it's a 'football injury' or a 'non-football injury' or whether there's any kind of clause at all that says you can't cut him without dire cap consequences. I HAVE seen respected media members speculate that he could be a cap casualty on June 1.

so while I am interested in everyone's opinions and speculations, there's been no definitive word about whether or not this can or cannot be done by anyone who's job it is to know such things.

I've even asked for some definitive word; some link to someone in the know who could say for sure.

Nobody's come forward with anything. My queries go ignored.

So until then, yeah, I think if you CAN, you cut a guy that's your 3rd highest cap number who hasn't played meaninful football in two ****ing years. Not because I'm pissed at him, or think he's a piece of shit, or a bad person; or because I'm frustrated. I'd cut him because he's expensive, and you can't count on him and won't be able to this year either.

So YOU can say we can't cut him because INJURY, but you don't KNOW THAT. You SUSPECT that, you're PRETTY SURE of that, but you have absolutely no PROOF that it's the case.

If you've got some, I'm all ears. Until then, let us have fun playing armchair, GM, yeah? Where's your mock?

We'll know by 3/16.

Because they can't cut him at all with a June 1 designation during this league year. So they have to wait until that 3 day interim period between the start of the league year and the day his contract has an additional $9 million guaranteed.

I will note that most of those media members have simply flown right past the likely surgery problem. The fact that none of them have bothered to even mention it in passing suggests to me that they're simply not considering any of it. Just as many of them didn't when they were advocating cutting Dee Ford last season without acknowledging that he was not going to be able to pass his physical for his back issue in time to do so (and if you'll check the archives, I was saying the exact same thing regarding Ford then as I am now - those 'respected media members' weren't; they just don't deep dive as well as we do).

It's such a unique situation that it's territory rife for column inches if it were an angle any industrious reporter had considered at all.

[Chargem]

I think there's two sorts of mock drafts, one is "what I think the Chiefs will do" and the other is "what I would do if I had free reign at the Chiefs".

This one fits into the second category, but it really is a good one, well done. I sort of wish you would have laid out the full roster just to make it easier to visualize. I think you have Williams Williams West at running back which I am fine with, but isn't the WR cupboard pretty bare?