The meeting that brought Andy Reid to Kansas City and changed the Chiefs’ fortunes

[HemiEd]

And then came this. 6 years ago today.

The Kansas City Chiefs is with Cliff Whisler.
January 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM ·
Chiefs Name Bob Sutton as Defensive Coordinator -

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

And then came this. 6 years ago today.

The Kansas City Chiefs is with Cliff Whisler.
January 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM ·
Chiefs Name Bob Sutton as Defensive Coordinator -

He was just fine for the first 4 years. He doesn't know what to do without Poe, Houston, and Berry. Time for him to go away. But it wasn't a bad hire at the time.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He was just fine for the first 4 years. He doesn't know what to do without Poe, Houston, and Berry. Time for him to go away. But it wasn't a bad hire at the time.

I still don't really think he's BAD, per se, but he's gotten very stale. Like the situation with McCarthey or even Reid in Philadelphia, it is just time for a mutual parting of ways.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

I still don't really think he's BAD, per se, but he's gotten very stale. Like the situation with McCarthey or even Reid in Philadelphia, it is just time for a mutual parting of ways.

Some of that maybe. I think he's one of those guys that needs an all-pro at every level to succeed, kind of like Gunther.

I've always been more of a "it's the players, not the coaching" person anyway but in this case, that certainly seems to be true. When Poe, Houston, and Berry were all in top shape, Sutton was lights out. They started to break down and so did his scheme. You can't build defenses like that, because the stars just don't align all that often.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Some of that maybe. I think he's one of those guys that needs an all-pro at every level to succeed, kind of like Gunther.

I've always been more of a "it's the players, not the coaching" person anyway but in this case, that certainly seems to be true. When Poe, Houston, and Berry were all in top shape, Sutton was lights out. They started to break down and so did his scheme. You can't build defenses like that, because the stars just don't align all that often.

Yep. Dude had an all pro pass rusher, an all pro ILB, an all pro NT and an all pro at safety. That will mask a lot of scheme and talent issues for sure.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Some of that maybe. I think he's one of those guys that needs an all-pro at every level to succeed, kind of like Gunther.

I've always been more of a "it's the players, not the coaching" person anyway but in this case, that certainly seems to be true. When Poe, Houston, and Berry were all in top shape, Sutton was lights out. They started to break down and so did his scheme. You can't build defenses like that, because the stars just don't align all that often.

I think a part of the problem is he expects the guys he has now to do what those guys did in their prime. It's asking a hell of a lot for players with inferior talent to do that.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

I think a part of the problem is he expects the guys he has now to do what those guys did in their prime. It's asking a hell of a lot for players with inferior talent to do that.

Yep. It's very difficult to expect players to completely change to fit a scheme. It's also very difficult to completely overhaul a scheme to fit certain players. There has to be some give and take.

With Bob, it seems to be his way or no way. It's the little things, like having a designated left and right CB. Why not just put your best guy on their best guy? Sometimes it's okay to do things different.

Anyway, the Raiders game was an improvement, let's hope it continues.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

I think a part of the problem is he expects the guys he has now to do what those guys did in their prime. It's asking a hell of a lot for players with inferior talent to do that.

What other choice does he have?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Right now, Reid is looking a lot like Marty and that's not a good thing honestly. The Chiefs have had tons of regular season success, now it's time for the postseason.

Fortunately. Andy has something now that neither Marty nor him have EVER had - Patrick Mahomes.

Yup. Tomorrow is a monumental day for Andy.

This is not year 1, 2 or 3. It’s year 6. We’ve achieved our goals of making the playoffs and winning the division. Now it’s time to win playoff games.

If Andy can’t win even one playoff game with HFA and the best QB on the planet, then that should cast serious doubt on if he’ll ever be able to take us to the Super Bowl.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by The Pest

What other choice does he have?

Make adjustments? Simplify the defense? When Ward is telling the public he hasn't played until week 16 because he was learning the complicated playbook there's a problem.