Jets hire Adam Gase to be HC

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Okay. So where in the **** did this reputation that he can develop QBs come from?

Nobody has said he has one.

I just think he’s a good young offensive mind that has more upside to pair up with Darnold than McCarthy.

Regardless of what happened 5-10 years ago, McCarthy simply couldn’t get it done with arguably the best QB ever.

One was loved/respected by the HOF QB they coached, while the other was ran off by theirs.

I know exactly what I’m getting with McCarthy, at least with Gase there’s the potential for something better with a better QB and roster.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I just think he’s a good young offensive mind

Adam Gase is a "good young offensive mind" based on what?

Looking at the 5 teams he has coached with (as an assistant or HC) during the past 12 years, only the Denver teams with Manning had offenses ranked in the top 10.

All of the other offenses that Gase has been involved with have been outside of the top 10 in yardage/points, and most have been ranked in the bottom half of the league.

How does that resume make him a "good young offensive mind"? Back-up your dumbshit statement.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Adam Gase is a "good young offensive mind" based on what?

Looking at the 5 teams he has coached with (as an assistant or HC) during the past 12 years, only the Denver teams with Manning had offenses ranked in the top 10.

All of the other offenses that Gase has been involved with have been outside of the top 10 in yardage/points, and most have been ranked in the bottom half of the league.

How does that resume make him a "good young offensive mind"? Back-up your dumbshit statement.

Funny how you want to remove anything and everything Gase did with Manning like it never happened then turn around and give McCarthy all of this credit for winning 1 ****ing SB in 10 ****ing years with the most talented QB in NFL history.

News flash: McCarthy didn’t handpick Rodgers either.

I still think there’s a possibility that Gase had a role in that record breaking offense, but needs a legitimate franchise QB to show it. It doesn’t hurt that Peyton Manning also genuinely felt this way.

The one year he had Tannehill for at least 13 games, he made the playoffs. I’m not going to hold 2017 and 2018 against him given the circumstances of those seasons.

He just hasn’t really been given an opportunity to truly succeed or fail.

McCarthy on the other hand just got kicked to curb by arguably the GOAT QB because his ****ing offense sucks dick. Gase had a better record in a MUCH worse situation, another detail you continue to ignore.

I’m supposed to believe he can do better with a young guy with warts like Darnold that’s probably not going to be as good?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Funny how you want to remove anything and everything Gase did with Manning like it never happened then turn around and give McCarthy all of those credit for winning 1 SB in 10 years with the most talented QB in NFL history.News flash: McCarthy didn’t handpick Rodgers either.

You seriously can't see the difference in developing a second year QB who had barely taken an NFL snap (which is what Aaron Rodgers was when McCarthy arrived in Green Bay in 2006), versus coaching a 12 year established NFL veteran/future HOF QB (which is what Manning was when Gase coached him in Denver).

You seriously can't differentiate between those two situations?

Also you criticizing McCarthy for "only" winning one Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers is funny considering Denver won zero Super Bowls with Manning in Denver when Gase was the OC.

In fact the one Super Bowl appearance Denver/Manning did have with Gase as OC was when their offense was humiliated by Seattle, only scoring 8 points in garbage time. Talk about "underachieving" as an offense.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

You seriously can't see the difference in developing a second year QB who had barely taken an NFL snap (which is what Aaron Rodgers was when McCarthy arrived in Green Bay in 2006), versus coaching a 12 year established NFL veteran/future HOF QB (which is what Manning was when Gase coached him in Denver).

You seriously can't differentiate between those two situations?

Also you criticizing McCarthy for "only" winning one Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers is funny considering Denver won zero Super Bowls with Manning in Denver when Gase was the OC.

In fact the one Super Bowl appearance Denver/Manning did have with Gase as OC was when their offense was humiliated by Seattle, only scoring 8 points in garbage time. Talk about "underachieving" as an offense.

No, I can see the difference, but that doesn’t change the fact that Rodgers was there for 1 year without McCarthy and sat behind Favre. We’ve all seen what that one year can do with a generational talent.

The truth is, we have no ****ing clue how much of a role McCarthy played in that, just like Gase. I do know one thing, one got a ton of credit for their work, while the other was let go and treated like they did nothing but hold them back. As much as you want to pretend this distinction means nothing in this conversation it does.

You want me to technically give McCarthy some credit for developing Rodgers? Fine, but I’m not going to sit here and pretend Rodgers wasn’t going to be Rodgers with or without Mike ****ing McCarthy, just like Manning with Gase.

Also, so Gase gets none of the credit and all of the blame for what happens with Manning? Got it.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Also, so Gase gets none of the credit and all of the blame for what happens with Manning? Got it.

Was Manning a HOF-caliber QB before Gase coached him?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Was Manning a HOF-caliber QB before Gase coached him?

See this is what you do, I made several points and the only thing you offer a rebuttal to is a small question I asked at the end?

Other “credible” posters are even stepping in and trying to get you to see the points you are continuously missing/ignoring and you still don’t get it. You aren’t winning this argument and it’s painfully obvious. I’m done here.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I just think he’s a good young offensive mind that has more upside to pair up with Darnold than McCarthy.

I know exactly what I’m getting with McCarthy, at least with Gase there’s the potential for something better with a better QB and roster.

Great call dumbshit.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Great call dumbshit.

First off, I didn’t make any bold predictions or say that Gase was going to be successful whatsoever. I was simply saying Gase was more of an unknown with some upside whereas McCarthy couldn’t ****ing cut it with the best QB in the NFL.

Second, you’re welcome to bump this if McCarthy ever has success as a HC again. He won’t. He wouldn’t be much better in this absolutely awful situation.

Third, I never said make Gase the GM too. Of course that was an awful idea.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by staylor26

First off, I didn’t make any bold predictions or say that Gase was going to be successful whatsoever. I was simply saying Gase was more of an unknown with some upside whereas McCarthy couldn’t ****ing cut it with the best QB in the NFL.

Second, you’re welcome to bump this if McCarthy ever has success as a HC again. He won’t. He wouldn’t be much better in this absolutely awful situation.

Third, I never said make Gase the GM too. Of course that was an awful idea.

Well, joke's on you! McCarthy has the Cowboys in position to win their division in year one!

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Well, joke's on you! McCarthy has the Cowboys in position to win their division in year one!

Yea McCarthy has been ****ing terrible too, so I still stand by what I said.

In fact, I might argue Gase had more impressive wins this year considering the difference in rosters and who they beat.