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03-20-2018, 08:19 AM | #2311 |
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03-20-2018, 10:04 AM | #2312 | |
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Gordon is a career .250ish hitter that has had only one season where he batted over .300. Every year since he batted .300 he has steadily declined in many batting categories, year after year. The year he batted over .300 was in 2011. So yes, it was clear and obvious there was a decline happening in his offensive capabilities with 4 years of decline prior to the contract. |
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03-20-2018, 10:41 AM | #2313 | |
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He was our top offensive contributor in 2014 and our best hitter pre-injury in 2015. Revisionist history is strong here. |
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03-20-2018, 11:22 AM | #2314 |
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So, any predictions on who will be traded at the deadline? I would imagine Moustakas is a top candidate. Who else?
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03-20-2018, 11:25 AM | #2315 | |
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If you think an avg. of 15-16hrs(even in the K) a year is a power bat and striking out twice as many times as you walk is a patient batter during 2013-2015 then I guess, well... Have fun with that mediocrity at the plate. I don't think my sourness on Alex is any thing recent or revisionist. I have never really liked him. Easily my least favorite Royal, so I have always been admittedly critical on him with my own bias . And DAMNIT! I am forever burned with the image of him in my brain with that stupid hat he wore on in the WS victory parade. |
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03-20-2018, 11:33 AM | #2316 |
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03-20-2018, 11:43 AM | #2317 | |
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Kennedy - would have to have a great first half for someone to take that salary. Hammel - would have to have a great first half. Herrera Jon Jay - bring on Bubba Starling. Duda - Would love to see them give Ryan O'Hearn a shot a 1st. Cuthbert - personally, I'd rather have Dozier at 3rd next year. Gordon - there will be no takers unless he bats around .300 Soler or Bonifacio - don't need two DH'ers on the team. |
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03-20-2018, 11:49 AM | #2318 | |
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2007 90 2008 109 2009 87 2010 84 2011 140 2012 123 2013 103 2014 118 2015 119 When was his dropoff prior to resigning with KC exactly? I'll give you that his career year occurred in 2011, but there's little difference in AG in 2012, 2014, and 2015 (except he was injured). |
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03-20-2018, 11:51 AM | #2319 | |
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Put aside his breakout year of 2011, which is an outlier. His season-by-season OPS+ from 2012-15 were 123, 103, 118 and 119. His wRC+ over that period: 126, 104, 120, 122. Before his injury in 2015, he was hitting .279/.394/.457/.852. He had a down 2013, but his 2014 and 15 seasons were in line with 2012. So three out of four years he was consistently around 20 percent better than league average offensively. I fail to see any detectable decline pre-injury. |
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03-20-2018, 11:51 AM | #2320 | |
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Strikeouts have nothing to do with the patience of a hitter. Alcides Escobar and Yuniesky Betancourt rarely struck out, but that’s because they always swung at the first pitch. Working the count means you’re going to walk more, but also strikeout more as a result. |
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03-20-2018, 12:13 PM | #2321 | |
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It’s your prerogative to be wrong. Be my guest. Alex Gordon had a career year in 2011 and a down year in 2013. His batting average drop coincided with teams beginning to shift against him in 2013. His 2012, 14, and 15 seasons were very nearly identical, and his 2015 rate stats were his best since 2012. Using BA as a barometer of a hitter’s worth is an outdated and foolish approach. He was a consistent .265-.270/.350 OBP guy in the three years leading up to the deal, production that was around 20 percent above league average. He was a top 25 (overall) offensive player in Baseball from 2011-2015 and top 35 from 2014-15. Your narrative is driven by bias and disconnected from statistical fact.
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03-20-2018, 12:16 PM | #2322 |
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It’s also worth mentioning that Gordon’s 10.7 percent walk rate in 2014-15 was 24th in all of baseball.
Get out of here with the “not a patient hitter” garbage. He sucks now and likely will suck until he hangs it up. But get out of here with Your proclaimed foresight, Nostradamus.
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What I said earlier about making people livid when the truth is spoke about Alex is all still well and good.
So no one saw the decline coming huh? WTF are you guys talking about? Talk about selective memory, or like I said overlooking and not paying attention. Here is Fangraphs 2012 2012 Quote:
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03-20-2018, 03:15 PM | #2324 |
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Are you seriously pointing out fantasy PROJECTIONS?
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03-20-2018, 03:16 PM | #2325 |
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Forget it he's rolling
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