Justice League (2017)

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

From my understanding, there were a bunch of variables.
Matthew Vaughn wanted to do his own version of Batman, which wasn't inline with Zach Snyder's Batman.

Matt Reeves is doing Batman. There was talk of Vaughn doing Man of Steel 2, but I don't think that was ever locked in.

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The Flashpoint script was turned in and apparently, it changes the timeline, with Bruce Wayne being killed, while his father becomes Batman and his mother becomes the Joker.

That's what happens in the Flashpoint comic.

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Internet rumors say they don't intend to do that unless they can't get Affleck. Especially since it wouldn't make any sense, because Thomas Wayne would have to be over 70. Anyway, Flashpoint is an okay comic, but the time travel logic is stupid. Basically Flash goes back in time to prevent his mother's, murder, and this changes a bunch of things unrelated to that, for some reason. Also at the end he stops himself from saving his mother. This was the event that lead to the New 52 reboot. For, again, some reason.

Suicide Squad 2 is outside the Justice League and Wonder Woman "universe".

They also want to do a separate Shazam! and Black Adam films, which would be outside of Justice League, The Flash and Aquaman.

Plus the Joker origin movie.

The bottom line is that Geoff Johns just couldn't put it all together, like Kevin Feige was able to do, so instead of re-writing and re-writing and re-writing, he just said "**** it" and decided that the films won't really connect.

They're in the DC Universe but what happens in one film won't necessarily affect what happens in other films.

I wouldn't put it so much as Geoff Johns' feet, and I say that as someone who's not a huge fan of him as a writer. Marvel is possible because Feige has a level of control that's not realistically possible to get at Warner Bros.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Matt Reeves is doing Batman.

Right. I get those Matt's confused all the time.

Originally Posted by Jamie

I wouldn't put it so much as Geoff Johns' feet, and I say that as someone who's not a huge fan of him as a writer. Marvel is possible because Feige has a level of control that's not realistically possible to get at Warner Bros.

This is false. WB took away the DCEU from Snyder and gave it to Johns. He just couldn't pull it off.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Matt Reeves is doing Batman. There was talk of Vaughn doing Man of Steel 2, but I don't think that was ever locked in.



That's what happens in the Flashpoint comic.

Spoiler!

Internet rumors say they don't intend to do that unless they can't get Affleck. Especially since it wouldn't make any sense, because Thomas Wayne would have to be over 70. Anyway, Flashpoint is an okay comic, but the time travel logic is stupid. Basically Flash goes back in time to prevent his mother's, murder, and this changes a bunch of things unrelated to that, for some reason. Also at the end he stops himself from saving his mother. This was the event that lead to the New 52 reboot. For, again, some reason.

I would hope that they go with the Grant Morrison Batman & Robin route if and when Affleck is on his way out. Nightwing becoming Batman is the only acceptable way Batman can be someone other than Bruce within the same continuity without changing actors.