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04-08-2016, 09:15 AM | #526 |
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Are there any good GA comics novels I should start with? I notice there isn't much animated features other than a DC presents green arrow short with Neal McDonough as GA and Justice League animated cartoon has Arrow character
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04-08-2016, 11:47 AM | #528 |
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If Laurel really is dead then the next casualty of this show should be the writer who came up with that lame death scene.
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The writer, exec producer etc failed this show with that shit and teeny boppers Felicity drama. Just ignore the comic completely... Felicity should've been Oliver's Lana Lang. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk |
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Saw this theory in the comments of an article about this. I don't know the Black Canary origin story well enough to have thought of this.
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As for felicity, she is a more interesting character than the annoying laurel. Hopefully they turn her into a villain. |
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04-08-2016, 04:23 PM | #532 |
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I actually do think Legends is a better show. Has been at least as far back as the Russian gulag.
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The hand to hand fight scenes are really bad also.
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Yes please. Show is about as bad as it gets, but I'd still tune in to see Felicity in that costume.
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Thanks I'll have to look into that.
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Agreed.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/arrow-the...-sh&soc_trk=tw Arrow - The Rise and Fall of Felicity Smoak In the sixth episode of*Arrow’s first season, we were introduced to one Felicity Smoak; an IT support girl at Queen Industries, she was initially intended as a one episode character who would provide a little bit of tech related exposition before never really being seen again. Despite these initial intentions, however, the character was revisited; the primary reason was that theArrow*cast and crew quite liked Emily Bett Rickards, who played Felicity. They weren’t alone in this, of course, as the character became something of a fan favourite.* Felicity was soon bumped up to a season regular, and had become a key member of the*Arrow*cast. She remained a fan favourite, of course; the third season saw a Felicity centric episode,*The Secret Origin of Felicity Smoak, which contained flashbacks to Felicity’s college days, and introduced her mother, Donna. For quite some time, Felicity was everyone’s favourite character. She could do no wrong. The audiences loved her. Now, she’s near universally hated. So what changed? [https://s] It’s easy, of course, to blame it on “Olicity” - that’s the name used to refer to the relationship between Oliver and Felicity, which developed across the third season, and… was complicated, we’ll say, during the fourth.* Easy, but not entirely accurate, that is. In theory, there’s little wrong with developing a relationship between Oliver and Felicity; certainly, in the early seasons, the pair had chemistry together, and that’s part of why the character of Felicity was so popular. Certainly, had it been written well, you likely could have convincingly depicted a relationship between Oliver and nearly anyone on his team - how different things would have been had we got*“Oliggle”! But the operative term of the sentence -*“had it been written well” - is essentially the embodiment of the issue. Olicity is not well written. Felicity, of late, has not been very well written. Frankly,*Arrow*of late has not been very well written. The problems here are twofold: one is a matter of emphasis, the other of contrivance. The first problem, and arguably the greater of the pair, is the manner in which Felicity is treated by the narrative. Felicity is*valorised*by the narrative; constantly, we are told that she is great and strong and powerful, with nearly every other character having some dialogue about how wonderful she is. (Diggle in particular has fallen foul to this of late.) Obviously, on a surface level, this is just particularly unsubtle writing; the old maxim of*“show don’t tell” is one which springs to mind in this instance. More than that, though, is the fact that this narrative lacks any form ofbalance*- given how insistentArrow*has become in beating the audience over the head with constant references to how great she is, there is rarely any acknowledgement of her character flaws. A good example of this is 4x16*Broken Hearts,*in which Felicity is constantly sniping and making cruel digs at Oliver - but rather than her being criticised for this, Oliver is told simply to give her time. Through not allowing Felicity to have character flaws (or, at least, ignoring the ones she does have)*Arrow*has fallen into the pitfall of a*giving us a very superficial and shallow*“strong female character” - as opposed to*“strong” meaning well rounded, three dimensional and nuanced, a more literal interpretation of*“strong” has been pursued, hence Felicity being shown as infallible and literally described as*“strong”. [https://s] The other problem (albeit one linked to the former) is that much of the drama surrounding Olicity is extremely contrived and very poorly written. A recent example of this was Felicity regaining the ability to walk, so that she could then walk out on Oliver, due to the fact he’d been lying about her - entirely ignoring the fact that, of course, she’d spent the episode prior trying to convince her mother that people in relationships can lie to each other if they love one another enough. It’s astonishing, really, how much*Arrow*is reliant on the use of lies and deception to further their plot; it’s as if the writers know of no other form of communication. (Incidentally, on the matter of Felicity’s paralysis; it would take an entire post to properly break down the failings within this arc, as opposed to a single aside within a larger post, so I likely shall return to this subject in the future. For now, though, I think it’s important to note that this six episode paralysis arc was not only poorly written, but was so poorly handled as to be bad representation and quite disrespectful as well.) You end up getting the indication that those involved with the show perhaps just aren’t very good at writing romantic arcs - except, then, how does that explain Diggle and Lyla, or Roy and Thea? Both of those stories were reasonably successful, and have added a lot to the respective characters. The answer, then, is that the writers aren’t very good at writing a romance when they feel it needs to be the*focus*of the story; Diggle & Lyla and Roy & Thea were always subplots, forming part of something larger. Here, with*‘Olicity’, it takes centre stage - largely at the expense of other characters, who recieve limited screentime as a result of this. Laughably, though, this brings up back around to the beginning - not just of this article, but of*Arrow.*We established earlier that Felicity became a fan favourite character - part of that was because fans were responding so poorly to the character of Laurel, and her romantic plotline with Oliver. That, in part, is why Felicity was written as the main love interest, with Laurel being simply a close friend of Oliver’s - and when “reduced” to this role, the character began to thrive. At a remove from the program, it’s actually quite interesting to watch this all unfold; I don’t think I’ve ever really seen a character plummet from such heights to such depths before. Certainly, I can’t think of any fan favourite character who became quite so reviled so quickly - can anyone? But, ultimately, within the program itself, it’s very disappointing.*Arrow*is far from its glory days, and it’s questionable as to whether it’ll ever really emerge from the shadow of its former self. The blame can’t be placed on Felicity, not really, nor Emily Bett Rickards; she’s a competent actress, and a very nice person as well. She deserves better material to work with than what she’s getting. No, the real problem lies with the writers, who are struggling to bring any sort of coherent emotional or thematic arc to*Arrow, or to their lead characters. The writers of*Arrow… have failed Felicity Smoak. |
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I think it is more to do with writing the constant love arcs to retain female viewership instead of making the best comic episodes they can. Hell they do it in Flash also, but thankfully the guy that plays Dr. Wells to me carries the show.
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