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Old 02-26-2015, 07:54 PM   #1
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You wouldn't mind ISPs being able to favor certain content so that some is faster than others?
I would actually. If I am a gamer I would want my ISP to favor my gaming packets. If I like streaming videos, I want my ISP to favor those. If I have VOIP I want my ISP to favor that.

There are very good reasons why a customer would want their ISP to favor one type of packet over another.
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:11 PM   #2
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I would actually. If I am a gamer I would want my ISP to favor my gaming packets. If I like streaming videos, I want my ISP to favor those. If I have VOIP I want my ISP to favor that.

There are very good reasons why a customer would want their ISP to favor one type of packet over another.
So the non gamer paying that same ISP is screwed and they pay the same rate as you but their favorite content is half the speed? What happens when content providers have to start paying up to get their content on the higher speed?

"Hey Hulu, this is what Netflix pays for higher speeds for their content so you can either match it or stick with not giving us what they give and be stuck on the slower speeds. It's your fault when customers stop using you."
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:32 PM   #3
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So the non gamer paying that same ISP is screwed and they pay the same rate as you but their favorite content is half the speed? What happens when content providers have to start paying up to get their content on the higher speed?

"Hey Hulu, this is what Netflix pays for higher speeds for their content so you can either match it or stick with not giving us what they give and be stuck on the slower speeds. It's your fault when customers stop using you."
Then they switch to the ISP that favors the content they want. Isn't competition in the free market grand instead of the government regulated morass you favor where neither customer gets the services they want the most?
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:35 PM   #4
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Then they switch to the ISP that favors the content they want. Isn't competition in the free market grand instead of the government regulated morass you favor where neither customer gets the services they want the most?
Because everyone has multiple options since companies have been so eager to compete with one another.
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:40 PM   #5
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Because everyone has multiple options since companies have been so eager to compete with one another.
They are when they are allowed to do so. Every company wants to eliminate their competition or reduce their market share. Currently, there are not allowed to do so in most places due to government intervention in the market.

You are complaining about a problem caused by government (local) but blaming the free market and running to government (federal) to further regulate (restrict) the free market.

The problem is government not the ISPs.
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:42 PM   #6
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They are when they are allowed to do so. Every company wants to eliminate their competition or reduce their market share. Currently, there are not allowed to do so in most places due to government intervention in the market.

You are complaining about a problem caused by government (local) but blaming the free market and running to government (federal) to further regulate (restrict) the free market.

The problem is government not the ISPs.
You're a ****ing moron. The ISPs have refrained from competing with each other to protect their margins.

The ISPs are the problem.

It's even worse when you look at the billions in tax breaks they were given specifically to run fiber to houses and they've come no where close to what they promised they would when they asked for those tax breaks.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:42 PM   #7
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The ISPs have refrained from competing with each other to protect their margins.

The ISPs are the problem.
A few minutes spent comparing the services/cost of Google Fiber to all other ISPs should drive home both points.

It's equivalent to a new company offering gas for 3 cents/gallon.... you don't see a massive correction like that in a free market.

If that doesn't scream something is wrong with the ISPs, the whole economy must be ****ed.
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:48 PM   #8
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The problem is government not the ISPs.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:05 PM   #9
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They are when they are allowed to do so. Every company wants to eliminate their competition or reduce their market share. Currently, there are not allowed to do so in most places due to government intervention in the market.

You are complaining about a problem caused by government (local) but blaming the free market and running to government (federal) to further regulate (restrict) the free market.

The problem is government not the ISPs.
I find it hard to believe you are in favor of processes that would allow company x to pay an ISP more than their competitors to keep company y's product down as an inferior product by limiting the speed to company y's product. A new innovative competitor would have no chance to really even get started.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:09 PM   #10
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I find it hard to believe you are in favor of processes that would allow company x to pay an ISP more than their competitors to keep company y's product down as an inferior product by limiting the speed to company y's product. A new innovative competitor would have no chance.
So you don't think companies should be able to pay for preferential treatment at all? In this case let's say Netflix can't pay for faster speeds to their servers? Note I am not saying turn down speeds to someone else's service, I am saying pay for faster speed to their service. Sorta like how I pay more for 250mb internet then say someone who pays for 50mb.
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I find it hard to believe you are in favor of processes that would allow company x to pay an ISP more than their competitors to keep company y's product down as an inferior product by limiting the speed to company y's product. A new innovative competitor would have no chance to really even get started.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:23 PM   #12
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I find it hard to believe you are in favor of processes that would allow company x to pay an ISP more than their competitors to keep company y's product down as an inferior product by limiting the speed to company y's product. A new innovative competitor would have no chance to really even get started.
It would be the opposite actually. Just like the agreement that Netflix has with Comcast and Verizon. They pay to have their product faster not to slow down somebody elses.
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I find it hard to believe you are in favor of processes that would allow company x to pay an ISP more than their competitors to keep company y's product down as an inferior product by limiting the speed to company y's product. A new innovative competitor would have no chance to really even get started.
And make no mistake. This is about cable companies that are facing competition from online television, using their control of the internet to stifle competition in the television market.

All comcast, time warner, etc need to do is price Netflix ' s "fast lane" to a degree that it's no longer a viable business. Don't want to pay for the fast lane? Then the cable company throttles bandwidth so the competing service is so poor no one has a realistic choice.

It's an industry built on monopolies, through an infrastructure payed for with tax money. And people are going to complain this ruling will kill competition?
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Then they switch to the ISP that favors the content they want. Isn't competition in the free market grand instead of the government regulated morass you favor where neither customer gets the services they want the most?
So explain how Texas went from being below average in electricity costs to way above average after electricity was deregulated in Texas?
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So explain how Texas went from being below average in electricity costs to way above average after electricity was deregulated in Texas?
My electrical rates are fine. I shop around but I haven't found them more expensive than say Northern Virginia. Better service too. Power went out more frequently in Northern Virginia than here in Houston. Much more frequently where I grew up in the sticks in Hampton Roads.
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