Jameis Winston

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I'm completely on your side on this one but...it feels...dirty.

Don't you think the media, particularly ESPN who is in the pocket of the SEC had something to do with that perception?

Anyhow, the girl still has the civil courts and probably will use it. I really doubt she gets a conviction. More shows it was consensual sex than anything.

All I can say, when I first read about the rape last year I was disappointed and thought it looked bad. Everyone here in this house, even my daughter's father, were down on Winston then. Now, that I know more, I think he has issues, but not to the degree of raping another young woman. People tend to link doing something bad elsewhere as being culpable in another area and that's just not true.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Don't you think the media, particularly ESPN who is in the pocket of the SEC had something to do with that perception?

Oh, you misunderstood me.

I'm all on Winston's side.

I feel dirty about siding with you...

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Oh, you misunderstood me.

I'm all on Winston's side.

I feel dirty about siding with you...

Oh, how unfortunate for you. Feeling is mutual.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Oh, how unfortunate for you. Feeling is mutual.

Don't get all butt-hurt.

I'm just not use to it...

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Cochise

You'd have to compare him to Cam Newton, except Newton was a tier higher as a football player. Newton was run out of UF in disgrace after he got caught stealing someone else's laptop (and there were other stories told about him that never became media stories, just like with Winston). He managed to wiggle out of the pay-for-play controversy not because no money was solicited but only because the NCAA couldn't prove he knew it had happened.

The questions surrounding him were always about whether he was going to work hard and what kind of leader he could be, and if he would be out of trouble off the field. Obviously he just flipped his truck acting like a dumbass a couple of weeks ago and could have gotten himself killed, and his leadership has always been in question. With Newton though, his football character is fine. He has a passion for football and puts in the work because he wants to be regarded as greater than everyone else, so in that sense his ego and his pride work in his favor.

You don't get that idea about Winston. He comes off like a garden variety dumbass who is extremely entitled and knows nothing about professionalism, a child who you'll have to babysit and hope they stay out of trouble, to say nothing of putting in the work to learn the QB position in the NFL.

I thought someone pulled out in front of him? Is that not what happened?

And besides that, Winston doesn't have hilarious soundbites like Donkey Kong Suh. That shit makes me laugh every time.