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Old 01-31-2023, 09:06 PM   #1
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Had Matt Ryan reached elite status going into 2017?

Was Rivers ever elite?
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Old 01-31-2023, 09:11 PM   #2
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Had Matt Ryan reached elite status going into 2017?

Was Rivers ever elite?
Rivers/Ryan had Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Favre, Brees, Warner, Roethlisberger overlap a decent part of their careers as well as guys like Eli, Russ. Different set of circumstances.

But I think Ryan and Rivers both are HoFers if Eli is considered one.
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Old 01-31-2023, 09:47 PM   #3
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Rivers/Ryan had Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Favre, Brees, Warner, Roethlisberger overlap a decent part of their careers as well as guys like Eli, Russ. Different set of circumstances.

But I think Ryan and Rivers both are HoFers if Eli is considered one.
Eli has two SB rings. Ryan and Rivers have one SB appearance. Not a good comparison.
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Old 01-31-2023, 09:50 PM   #4
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Eli has two SB rings. Ryan and Rivers have one SB appearance. Not a good comparison.
Eli has a .500 record as a starter and his stats overall are mid.

He benefited from a legendary performance from his defense in 2007.

Ryan also has a MVP.
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Old 01-31-2023, 10:06 PM   #5
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Eli has a .500 record as a starter and his stats overall are mid.

He benefited from a legendary performance from his defense in 2007.

Ryan also has a MVP.
Ryan does have a MVP and Eli does not. But Eli has two SB rings and two SB MVPs. More than Ryan and Rivers combined. Ryan will also be remembered for the epic 28-3 collapse. Ryan is 0-1 against Brady in SBs. Eli is 2-0. Again not a good comparison.
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Old 02-01-2023, 09:40 AM   #6
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Eli has a .500 record as a starter and his stats overall are mid.

He benefited from a legendary performance from his defense in 2007.

Ryan also has a MVP.
Matt Ryan is a compiler. He played great for a few seasons but for the most part, he was a high end game manager.

He's not a HOF'er.
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Old 02-01-2023, 05:32 PM   #7
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Eli has a .500 record as a starter and his stats overall are mid.

He benefited from a legendary performance from his defense in 2007.

Ryan also has a MVP.
Eli manning will be a fascinating vote. For two playoff runs he had an absolutely outstandingly efficient performance. I don’t think you can chalk that up to just defense. That was an elite game manager type performance.
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Old 01-31-2023, 10:05 PM   #8
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Joe "Cool" and being elite? Yeah, no.

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Rivers/Ryan had Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Favre, Brees, Warner, Roethlisberger overlap a decent part of their careers as well as guys like Eli, Russ. Different set of circumstances.

But I think Ryan and Rivers both are HoFers if Eli is considered one.

So are they elite or not? If so, why? If not, why not?
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Old 01-31-2023, 09:10 PM   #9
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Old 01-31-2023, 10:19 PM   #10
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He throws the best back shoulder / sideline ball in the game. Puts defenses in a bind when he can connect on those so consistently.
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Old 01-31-2023, 10:21 PM   #11
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He throws the best back shoulder / sideline ball in the game. Puts defenses in a bind when he can connect on those so consistently.
Burrow is extremely accurate, that's for sure.
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Old 01-31-2023, 10:39 PM   #12
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He throws the best back shoulder / sideline ball in the game. Puts defenses in a bind when he can connect on those so consistently.
Especially when he has a 6’5 Higgins
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Old 02-01-2023, 09:58 AM   #13
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You guys are waaaay too generous with your views on players.

No way you didn't grow up with participation trophies.

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If they're on a trajectory for a gold jacket, the perception problem is yours, not mine.
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