Let’s talk about rd 2

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They have to go DE in the 2nd round.
The roster at DE might be one of the worst in the league. (Counting Jones as a DT)

They don’t HAVE to do anything. Forcing a pick means you get a guy like Breeland Speaks.

Draft a DE if there is one there that you like. If not, grab one later if there is one and sign Ingram after the draft.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

They don’t HAVE to do anything. Forcing a pick means you get a guy like Breeland Speaks.

Draft a DE if there is one there that you like. If not, grab one later if there is one and sign Ingram after the draft.

Yep.

And there's a decent chance the value at DE is very thin by the time we pick. It would be a bad idea to force it when there will likely be good value at WR, IOL, CB, and LB.

We still have Ingram that we could bring in.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yep.

And there's a decent chance the value at DE is very thin by the time we pick. It would be a bad idea to force it when there will likely be good value at WR, IOL, CB, and LB.

We still have Ingram that we could bring in.

Or Spags and our staff are a difference maker but know we need to move up to get him. Trade up for 58 and a 63/3rd rd swap so we still have a 3rd and can get value at IOL, corner or WR

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Or Spags and our staff are a difference maker but know we need to move up to get him. Trade up for 58 and a 63/3rd rd swap so we still have a 3rd and can get value at IOL, corner or WR

Move up to get who?

There really aren't that many guys left that are going to fall far enough. Are you wanting to trade up into the 30's?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Move up to get who?

There really aren't that many guys left that are going to fall far enough. Are you wanting to trade up into the 30's?

Not advocating for moving up to early rd 2. You can easily do a trade that he did in 2018 with a pick swap.

Example: Chiefs trade picks 58 and 63 to WFT for picks 52 and 74. That would be a great fair trade.

And please stop bringing up Breeland Speaks. He didn’t work out. So what? We traded up for Mecole Hardman and he started the spark to get our win over the Texans and go to the SB.
Also traded up for some guy named Patrick Mahomes. That seemed to work out well

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not advocating for moving up to early rd 2. You can easily do a trade that he did in 2018 with a pick swap.

Example: Chiefs trade picks 58 and 63 to WFT for picks 52 and 74. That would be a great fair trade.

And please stop bringing up Breeland Speaks. He didn’t work out. So what? We traded up for Mecole Hardman and he started the spark to get our win over the Texans and go to the SB.
Also traded up for some guy named Patrick Mahomes. That seemed to work out well

Dude. Breeland Speaks didn’t work out and Mecole Hardman is the reason why we need a WR right now.

And Veach didn’t trade up for Mahomes.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Dude. Breeland Speaks didn’t work out and Mecole Hardman is the reason why we need a WR right now.

And Veach didn’t trade up for Mahomes.

Hardman is not a bust though. 10 receiving TD’s and 2 ST’s return TD’s in 2 years is worth his draft pick.

Yes it sucks that he regressed but there was no offseason for him to get better due to covid.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not advocating for moving up to early rd 2. You can easily do a trade that he did in 2018 with a pick swap.

Example: Chiefs trade picks 58 and 63 to WFT for picks 52 and 74. That would be a great fair trade.

And please stop bringing up Breeland Speaks. He didn’t work out. So what? We traded up for Mecole Hardman and he started the spark to get our win over the Texans and go to the SB.
Also traded up for some guy named Patrick Mahomes. That seemed to work out well

Ha, was typing the same thing while I was on the phone. It could work

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not advocating for moving up to early rd 2. You can easily do a trade that he did in 2018 with a pick swap.

Example: Chiefs trade picks 58 and 63 to WFT for picks 52 and 74. That would be a great fair trade.

And please stop bringing up Breeland Speaks. He didn’t work out. So what? We traded up for Mecole Hardman and he started the spark to get our win over the Texans and go to the SB.
Also traded up for some guy named Patrick Mahomes. That seemed to work out well

Dude, Basham is probably the first DE off the board tonight. If it's not him, then it's probably Perkins.

After that, there's like NOBODY. Ojulari doesn't really fit. Are you planning on trading up in the 2nd for a guy like Elerson Smith, who probably has a late 3rd round grade?

That's what I'm saying.

OF COURSE, if we could trade up 6 spots and get one of the better DE's left, we could do it. But that's not likely to happen at all. We'd be moving up for a guy that we could stay put and get.

There's just not a lot of value left at DE. We'd be better off going with another position and taking a couple later.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dude, Basham is probably the first DE off the board tonight. If it's not him, then it's probably Perkins.

After that, there's like NOBODY. Ojulari doesn't really fit. Are you planning on trading up in the 2nd for a guy like Elerson Smith, who probably has a late 3rd round grade?

That's what I'm saying.

OF COURSE, if we could trade up 6 spots and get one of the better DE's left, we could do it. But that's not likely to happen at all. We'd be moving up for a guy that we could stay put and get.

There's just not a lot of value left at DE. We'd be better off going with another position and taking a couple later.

I think I'd probably try to bandaid the DE spot up this year and look for the DE early next years draft. Those dudes that you need go early anyway.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Not advocating for moving up to early rd 2. You can easily do a trade that he did in 2018 with a pick swap.

Example: Chiefs trade picks 58 and 63 to WFT for picks 52 and 74. That would be a great fair trade.

And please stop bringing up Breeland Speaks. He didn’t work out. So what? We traded up for Mecole Hardman and he started the spark to get our win over the Texans and go to the SB.
Also traded up for some guy named Patrick Mahomes. That seemed to work out well

Rationale for trading up for Speaks: "There weren't going to be any good DEs left if he went off the board"

Rationale for trading up for Mahomes: "Because he's ****ing awesome"

See the difference?

The Hardman trade up is difficult to speculate on and I won't get into it, particularly because the board is decidedly divided on whether or not he can continue to improve.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Rationale for trading up for Speaks: "There weren't going to be any good DEs left if he went off the board"

Rationale for trading up for Mahomes: "Because he's ****ing awesome"

See the difference?

The Hardman trade up is difficult to speculate on and I won't get into it, particularly because the board is decidedly divided on whether or not he can continue to improve.

And this is why I mentioned Speaks.

Not because Speaks was a bust but because the rationale for trading up was that the DE's were running out and we HAD to get one.

It's the same rationale being floated here for trading up and it's a BAD idea.

If a DE falls to us great. If not, go LB, DB, IOL, whatever. There's no need to fixate on DE.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

They don’t HAVE to do anything. Forcing a pick means you get a guy like Breeland Speaks.

Draft a DE if there is one there that you like. If not, grab one later if there is one and sign Ingram after the draft.

This. As much as I would want a stud at WR or someone to take over at DE once we kick Clark to the curb next year, don’t force it. Take the best available talent. IMO a 2nd round pick should be able to compete for a starting role by year end, and we have two such picks. Play your cards right and you can get a talented player who fell like Thornhill. Reach and you end up with crap like Speaks.

If DE isn’t added we can sign Ingram (although the depth chart looks horrendous there for 2022).

If CB doesn’t work sign Breeland or another of the available cornerbacks.

WR seems to be the main position where there’s really not much available, so if we can’t get one in the draft we’re probably stuck with what we have. Watkins was injured so often though that they’re pretty used to that by now.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

They don’t HAVE to do anything. Forcing a pick means you get a guy like Breeland Speaks.

Draft a DE if there is one there that you like. If not, grab one later if there is one and sign Ingram after the draft.

Ingram can’t be relied on at age 32 coming off injuries. They should sign him anyway for depth and rotation like they did with Suggs, but to hope he’s a starterFor 16 is a stretch.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Ingram can’t be relied on at age 32 coming off injuries. They should sign him anyway for depth and rotation like they did with Suggs, but to hope he’s a starterFor 16 is a stretch.

And forcing the pick and taking another Speaks or Kpass in the 2nd is any better?