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I know you're only kidding, kinda/sorta, but there are others who believe this, and someday he WILL hit that wall (or fall off that cliff, you prefer -- probably LITERALLY is the actual preference, but: 1. Gronk hurt most of the year (played most games but gutted through injuries). 2. Edelman suspended first four games 3. Edelman returning off an ACL that knocked him out last year 4. Lost Amendola, who could be clutch 5. No backup TE receiving threat. All are reasons -- in part -- for why Brady's performance could be down. Or, of course, his decline has begun, which is also entirely possible.
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Does your formula/methodology account for productivity by the QB in the running game? Obviously, Cam's impact is more than just in his passing yardage.
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Unfortunately, no. The data grab didn't include that, and it would have been a hassle to deal with it. Also, not including it will make John Elway look worse, so I liked that.
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Yeah, a few guys -- Cam, Rodgers, Vick, Randall Cunningham (seriously underrated), Russell Wilson, Daunte Culpepper, made a serious and significant impact on games with their legs. Hard to capture/quantify that though. That threat does help the offense in a number of ways which don't show on the QB's stat sheet. But yes, very hard to capture.
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A number of teams stocked up on quarterbacks before the great draft drought in the late 2000s. But they started out rather odd. In the first three years of these classes, here are the guys who had top-ten seasons:
Phillip Rivers (2) Eli Manning (2) Aaron Rodgers (1) Ben Roethlisberger (1) Matt Cassel (1) Derek Anderson (1) J.P. Losman (1) Some of those guys built on their early success, and others didn't. Here's everyone who was drafted. 1 Alex Smith 49ers Utah 1 Eli Manning Chargers Mississippi 4 Philip Rivers Giants North Carolina State 11 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers Miami (OH) 22 J.P. Losman Bills Tulane 24 Aaron Rodgers Packers California 25 Jason Campbell Redskins Auburn 67 Charlie Frye Browns Akron 69 Andrew Walter Raiders Arizona State 85 David Greene Seahawks Georgia 90 Matt Schaub Falcons Virginia 106 Kyle Orton Bears Purdue 106 Luke McCown Browns Louisiana Tech 121 Stefan Lefors Panthers Louisville 145 Dan Orlovsky Lions Connecticut 148 Craig Krenzel Bears Ohio State 152 Adrian McPherson Saints Florida State 185 Andy Hall Eagles Delaware 187 Josh Harris Ravens Bowling Green 193 Jim Sorgi Colts Wisconsin 201 Jeff Smoker Rams Michigan State 202 John Navarre Cardinals Michigan 213 Derek Anderson Ravens Oregon State 217 Cody Pickett 49ers Washington 218 Casey Bramlet Bengals Wyoming 225 Matt Mauck Broncos Louisiana State 229 James Kilian Chiefs Tulsa 230 Matt Cassel Patriots USC 248 B.J. Symons Texans Texas Tech 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick Rams Harvard 250 Bradlee Van Pelt Broncos Colorado State
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I've added 2002 and 2003 now. I thought that a few one-year wonders would sneak into the top ten, but Carson Palmer is the only guy out of both years to ever make the top ten. He had four years in the top ten, and when he had a good year it was usually really good. It seems like there should've been a chance for him to take a team all the way, but it never happened.
The rest of the dudes topped out at meh. 2003 1 1 1 1 Carson Palmer Bengals USC 2 1 7 7 Byron Leftwich Jaguars Marshall 3 1 19 19 Kyle Boller Ravens California 4 1 22 22 Rex Grossman Bears Florida 5 3 24 88 Dave Ragone Texans Louisville 6 3 33 97 Chris Simms Buccaneers Texas 7 4 13 110 Seneca Wallace Seahawks Iowa State 8 5 28 163 Brian St. Pierre Steelers Boston College 9 6 19 192 Drew Henson Texans Michigan 10 6 27 200 Brooks Bollinger Jets Wisconsin 11 6 28 201 Kliff Kingsbury Patriots Texas Tech 12 7 18 232 Gibran Hamdan Redskins Indiana 13 7 27 241 Ken Dorsey 49ers Miami (FL) 2002 1 1 1 1 David Carr Texans Fresno State 2 1 3 3 Joey Harrington Lions Oregon 3 1 32 32 Patrick Ramsey Redskins Tulane 4 3 16 81 Josh McCown Cardinals Sam Houston State 5 4 10 108 David Garrard Jaguars East Carolina 6 4 19 117 Rohan Davey Patriots Louisiana State 7 5 2 137 Randy Fasani Panthers Stanford 8 5 23 158 Kurt Kittner Falcons Illinois 9 5 28 163 Brandon Doman 49ers Brigham Young 10 5 29 164 Craig Nall Packers Northwestern State (LA) 11 6 14 186 J.T. O'Sullivan Saints California-Davis 12 6 33 205 Steve Bellisari Rams Ohio State 13 7 5 216 Seth Burford Chargers Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo 14 7 21 232 Jeff Kelly Seahawks Southern Mississippi 15 7 24 235 Ronald Curry Raiders North Carolina 16 7 25 236 Wes Pate Ravens Stephen F. Austin
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In 2001, we had the following players drafted. It was a good year for scraping low, and we had a couple of strong ones drafted early, too.
Interestingly, Michael Vick never made the top ten. Chad Pennington and Marc Bulger snuck in a few times. But the big battle is Brees versus Brady. Brees has been a top-ten QB in 15 years. That's darn impressive. Among those, 12 have been top-five and he's been the #1 QB three times. Brady, on the other hand, has been a top-ten QB in 15 years. Among those, 10 were top-five and he's been the #1 QB four times. Head to head, Drew Brees has been ranked higher than Tom Brady ten times, and Brady has been higher than Brees seven times. So Brees is the better quarterback. 1 Michael Vick Falcons Virginia Tech 18 Chad Pennington Jets Marshall 32 Drew Brees Chargers Purdue 53 Quincy Carter Cowboys Georgia 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Raiders Washington 65 Giovanni Carmazzi 49ers Hofstra 75 Chris Redman Ravens Louisville 106 Chris Weinke Panthers Florida State 109 Sage Rosenfels Redskins Iowa State 125 Jesse Palmer Giants Florida 149 Mike McMahon Lions Rutgers 155 A.J. Feeley Eagles Oregon 163 Tee Martin Steelers Tennessee 168 Marc Bulger Saints West Virginia 172 Josh Booty Seahawks Louisiana State 177 Josh Heupel Dolphins Oklahoma 183 Spergon Wynn Browns Southwest Texas State 199 Tom Brady Patriots Michigan 202 Todd Husak Redskins Stanford 205 JaJuan Seider Chargers Florida A&M 212 Tim Rattay 49ers Louisiana Tech 214 Jarious Jackson Broncos Notre Dame 234 Joe Hamilton Buccaneers Georgia Tech
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