Xavien Howard?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Move a 2 for Howard...that’s basically trading Peters for Howard. Sign Earl Thomas to a fair deal.

They're not going to have anywhere close to that type of money.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They're not going to have anywhere close to that type of money.

In before BossChiefs magical cap resuscitation starts.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They're not going to have anywhere close to that type of money.

Why do you think that?

According to OTC, KC has 36m to play with if we don’t cut/restructure anyone.

The first year cap hit for Kyle Fuller (signed for 14m per) was 6.5m.

Harrison Smiths first year cap hit was 10m and he’s similar in age to Earl.

Veach is going to go all in this offseason.

By the time the bigger $ years kick in, Berry and Houston will be gone.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Why do you think that?

According to OTC, KC has 36m to play with if we don’t cut/restructure anyone.

The first year cap hit for Kyle Fuller (signed for 14m per) was 6.5m.

Harrison Smiths first year cap hit was 10m and he’s similar in age to Earl.

Veach is going to go all in this offseason.

By the time the bigger $ years kick in, Berry and Houston will be gone.

I could go into all the math but it's easier to just say this:

Howard wants to be the highest paid CB in the game. Acquiring him and doing everything else you want to do isn't going to happen.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I could go into all the math but it's easier to just say this:

Howard wants to be the highest paid CB in the game. Acquiring him and doing everything else you want to do isn't going to happen.

And that's the rub. A bunch of us want to trade for Howard...or Ramsey...or Peterson. Two of those are going to require a new deal and the other one is going to get here and already be getting paid a bunch of money.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

And that's the rub. A bunch of us want to trade for Howard...or Ramsey...or Peterson. Two of those are going to require a new deal and the other one is going to get here and already be getting paid a bunch of money.

If I traded for Ramsey, I wouldn't worry about a long term deal for a while.

You'd have him for a year on his current deal, the 5th year option, then a tag.

Then you could let him walk and get the pick for him or tag and trade him.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I could go into all the math but it's easier to just say this:

Howard wants to be the highest paid CB in the game. Acquiring him and doing everything else you want to do isn't going to happen.

Some of you really underestimate how far cap dollars go and how Reid/Veach look at 3 year windows in terms of the cap. KC uses signing bonuses to lower the first year cap hit significantly and they tried to sign Kyle Fuller last year and also tried trading for Landon Collins during the season.

You are underestimating the significance of the moves Veach is going to make to bolster this roster.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Some of you really underestimate how far cap dollars go and how Reid/Veach look at 3 year windows in terms of the cap. KC uses signing bonuses to lower the first year cap hit significantly and they tried to sign Kyle Fuller last year and also tried trading for Landon Collins during the season.

You are underestimating the significance of the moves Veach is going to make to bolster this roster.

I'm not underestimating anything. You were talking about signing Xavien Howard AND Earl Thomas.

They're not signing Xavien Howard AND anybody. He wants to be the highest paid CB in the league. And yes, they can prorate bonuses and all that (which all teams do BTW) but it isn't going to lessen the blow. Signing Xavien Howard isn't going to happen.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not underestimating anything. You were talking about signing Xavien Howard AND Earl Thomas.

They're not signing Xavien Howard AND anybody. He wants to be the highest paid CB in the league. And yes, they can prorate bonuses and all that (which all teams do BTW) but it isn't going to lessen the blow. Signing Xavien Howard isn't going to happen.

This is going to be a buyers market for safeties. Just like last offseason. Lots of supply and GMs don’t covet safeties like they used to.

Supply
Demand
Age
Injury

These aspects are going to impact his per year average.

Harrison Smiths first year cap hit was only 7m.

Fullers first year cap hit was 6.5m

Veach can literally make enough 2019 cap space to sign Howard and Thomas by restructuring Houston and converting everything but vet minimum of his base salary to a bonus and pushing that amount to next year.

Veach is going to go all in. I’m telling you he’s going to.

Veach will sign a top tier guy at CB and safety...and maybe another move.

And still have space to tag Ford.

Watch.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

This is going to be a buyers market for safeties. Just like last offseason. Lots of supply and GMs don’t covet safeties like they used to.

Supply
Demand
Age
Injury

These aspects are going to impact his per year average.

Harrison Smiths first year cap hit was only 7m.

Fullers first year cap hit was 6.5m

Veach can literally make enough 2019 cap space to sign Howard and Thomas by restructuring Houston and converting everything but vet minimum of his base salary to a bonus and pushing that amount to next year.

Veach is going to go all in. I’m telling you he’s going to.

Veach will sign a top tier guy at CB and safety...and maybe another move.

And still have space to tag Ford.

Watch.

Keep hope alive, brother. Keep hope alive.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BossChief

This is going to be a buyers market for safeties. Just like last offseason. Lots of supply and GMs don’t covet safeties like they used to.

Supply
Demand
Age
Injury

These aspects are going to impact his per year average.

Harrison Smiths first year cap hit was only 7m.

Fullers first year cap hit was 6.5m

Veach can literally make enough 2019 cap space to sign Howard and Thomas by restructuring Houston and converting everything but vet minimum of his base salary to a bonus and pushing that amount to next year.

Veach is going to go all in. I’m telling you he’s going to.

Veach will sign a top tier guy at CB and safety...and maybe another move.

And still have space to tag Ford.

Watch.

The CB market sucks balls this year.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Why do you think that?

According to OTC, KC has 36m to play with if we don’t cut/restructure anyone.

The first year cap hit for Kyle Fuller (signed for 14m per) was 6.5m.

Harrison Smiths first year cap hit was 10m and he’s similar in age to Earl.

Veach is going to go all in this offseason.

By the time the bigger $ years kick in, Berry and Houston will be gone.

Chiefs have around 24m not 36 that 36 number is before any 2018 year end Bonuses kick in.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Showtime

Chiefs have around 24m not 36 that 36 number is before any 2018 year end Bonuses kick in.

$14M of which will be tied up in Ford until he's traded or signed. There's a very good chance neither happens, at least not quickly, so now they have $10M.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Showtime

Chiefs have around 24m not 36 that 36 number is before any 2018 year end Bonuses kick in.

That’s also before anything is done with current contracts.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That’s also before anything is done with current contracts.

True