Then & Now...Week 6 vs. AFCCG

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I didn't come out and say they're overrated because they're not.

They've played commensurate to their level of competition.

If you want to come out and say the Pats defense is GOOD, be my guest. You won't hurt my feelings.

But you'd be wrong.

Ha

By the same criteria you have a similar assessment of the Chiefs' defense?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

Ha

By the same criteria you have a similar assessment of the Chiefs' defense?

Certainly. The Chiefs defense is flat out BAD against the run. Almost regardless of opponent. Like the Patriots, the Chiefs pass defense has gotten better over the last quarter of the season.

That being said, over the last half of the season, the level of competition (in terms of pass efficiency of the opposing offenses) isn't close to comparable. The Patriots have played against 4 of the 5 worst passing offenses in the league. Kansas City hasn't played ANYBODY below #17.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Certainly. The Chiefs defense is flat out BAD against the run. Almost regardless of opponent. Like the Patriots, the Chiefs pass defense has gotten better over the last quarter of the season.

That being said, over the last half of the season, the level of competition (in terms of pass efficiency of the opposing offenses) isn't close to comparable. The Patriots have played against 4 of the 5 worst passing offenses in the league. Kansas City hasn't played ANYBODY below #17.

I think you are getting caught up in rankings and losing sight of the context. I look at it this way. Rivers, Watson, Luck, Rodgers, Cousins, Roeth all had very average games against us and the shitbags we lost too played well. I thought we did job on Mahomes for a while until we went to a freaking zone D.

Keep in mind I don't give a rats ass about yards and QB rating. It's 3rd down conversations and comp %.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

I think you are getting caught up in rankings and losing sight of the context. I look at it this way. Rivers, Watson, Luck, Rodgers, Cousins, Roeth all had very average games against us and the shitbags we lost too played well. I thought we did job on Mahomes for a while until we went to a freaking zone D.

Keep in mind I don't give a rats ass about yards and QB rating. It's 3rd down conversations and comp %.

Those ranking are based on statistical analysis that is FAR deeper than yards, points, or QB rating.

Are you familiar with guys like Warren Sharp? His analysis takes your context into account, for example.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Those ranking are based on statistical analysis that is FAR deeper than yards, points, or QB rating.

Are you familiar with guys like Warren Sharp? His analysis takes your context into account, for example.

Yep- Sharp is good. No question.

I'm not trying to dismiss your points or the empirical data. Pats have faced soft passing offenses and legit ones this season no question and the data support it. With that said Ive been watching football for 40 years and I trust my analysis. I know a shitty pass D from a (like what we had in 2010-2012) good one and we have a good one.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

I think you are getting caught up in rankings and losing sight of the context. I look at it this way. Rivers, Watson, Luck, Rodgers, Cousins, Roeth all had very average games against us and the shitbags we lost too played well. I thought we did job on Mahomes for a while until we went to a freaking zone D.

Keep in mind I don't give a rats ass about yards and QB rating. It's 3rd down conversations and comp %.

FYI, as far as interesting individual stats - the Chiefs awful defense has one of the highest 3rd down stop rates in the NFL.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

FYI, as far as interesting individual stats - the Chiefs awful defense has one of the highest 3rd down stop rates in the NFL.

Do we know that the defense is still "awful"? It seems like since the Chargers game, it's been a different story there, though still a small sample size. A lot better S and CB play and even the LBs have looked serviceable.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Do we know that the defense is still "awful"? It seems like since the Chargers game, it's been a different story there, though still a small sample size. A lot better S and CB play and even the LBs have looked serviceable.

Sorry, I should have put "awful" in quotes. It's a talking point really, not my opinion.

Based on the Raider and Colt games, I do think the run defense is still pretty much awful. The pass defense is MUCH better. Ward is way better than Scandrick and the pass rush seems to be even better than it was.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

the pass rush seems to be even better than it was.

Better secondary play definitely helps the pass rush.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

FYI, as far as interesting individual stats - the Chiefs awful defense has one of the highest 3rd down stop rates in the NFL.

24th in the NFL according to NFL.com on 3rd down.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

24th in the NFL according to NFL.com on 3rd down.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go

I stand corrected.

To be clear, I was talking about at home. But it appears they fell to 20th since the last time I looked:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...conversion-pct

By the way, that NFL.com link, for me, doesn't show 3rd down percentage.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I stand corrected.

To be clear, I was talking about at home. But it appears they fell to 20th since the last time I looked:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...conversion-pct

By the way, that NFL.com link, for me, doesn't show 3rd down percentage.

Ah ok. Yea you guys are a MUCH better D at home.

Weird how the link doesn't work.

So the NFL had y'all at 24 and this has you at 20th. NFL had us at 13 and this 16th. Whatever.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...conversion-pct