Home and Auto Siding: Steel, Vinyl, Aluminum?

**Dartgod** · 04-10-2010, 02:58 PM

Thinking of putting on some siding rather than painting and I know nothing about it. What kind is best? Any siding contractors in KC that you would recommend? Enlighten me!

**Bugeater** · 04-10-2010, 03:05 PM

I think steel is a thing of the past, and even aluminum is pretty rare anymore. They all have their drawbacks, steel will rust, aluminum will dent and vinyl will break, and they ALL will eventually oxidize and discolor. And if it gets damaged it cannot be repaired, and if you need to replace sections of it, it will be impossible to match the existing stuff once it's a few years old. If it was me I'd keep the wood, but I paint for a living so painting isn't that big of deal. My second choice would be aluminum because you can at least paint it 15-20 years down the road when it starts looking like crap. I would never own a house with vinyl on it.

jiveturkey · 04-10-2010, 03:09 PM

Concrete!

http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner...nkLapSiding.py

**Bugeater** · 04-10-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey

Concrete!

http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner...nkLapSiding.py

That still has to be painted.

Dinny Bossa Nova · 04-10-2010, 03:13 PM

Great thread!

Been wondering about this myself. Except for the KC contractor part. You mean there is more than just Phobs?

Dinny

LaChapelle · 04-10-2010, 03:24 PM

The just fade or mildew(nasty) in our trailer park

**Bugeater** · 04-10-2010, 03:25 PM

Oh, and one other thing to keep in mind, unless you're going to spend the money to wrap your windows, soffits, and fascia and replace your gutters, you're still going to have painting to do.

**DeezNutz** · 04-10-2010, 03:27 PM

Paint.

Siding es no bueno.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-10-2010, 05:40 PM

Get the spray-on stuff.
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**BigMeatballDave** · 04-10-2010, 05:48 PM

Isn't this fiber cement?

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey

Concrete!

http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner...nkLapSiding.py

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04-10-2010, 06:16 PM

Fiber cement holds paint 3x longer than wood. It's also a 50 year product. That's what I'll be using when my wood siding rots off my house.

redsurfer11 · 04-10-2010, 06:31 PM

www.jameshardie.com

This has been the rage in the siding industry the last 10 years.

Kerberos · 04-10-2010, 07:01 PM

The house I just sold in KS was 75% Native Stone and the addition was vinyl sided. (other 25%) Thermal aluminum windows and wraping around windows and eve's and aluminum gutters and downspouts. Solid steel front door. Shed was vinyl sided with steel door as well. VERY low maintenance. Just the way I liked it.

**cdcox** · 04-10-2010, 07:22 PM

We vinyl sided a few years back. Our original wood siding was installed improperly and was rotting off the house. The whole house was an eyesore. Now it looks great. We aluminum wrapped the windows and all. I don't regret it at all.

I shopped quite a bit to find a good contractor. Champion is waaaay over priced. Ask for addresses of previous jobs and look how flat the walls look. I would want to see at least 3 or 4 reference houses. I finally found a contractor where all of the reference jobs looked great. The guys that actually did the work were easily in their 60s. They weren't fast but they did a great job.

Fish · 04-10-2010, 07:54 PM

I used to hang siding in my younger years. Mostly vinyl, but I did everything. Did entire houses. Siding, soffit, facia, and guttering.

Each has their benefits. Each has their drawbacks.

If you're worried about cost, go with good vinyl.

If you want the best and have money to spend on it, go fiber cement.

Vinyl is the easiest to own. Usually the cheapest. Easier to install. You can replace sections if you damage anything. You don't have to take all the siding off to get to the damaged piece, you can pop one piece off, replace it, and put the new one on. You get what you pay for though. If you go vinyl, I would highly recommend getting the better quality stuff. Cheap vinyl isn't worth it at all. Builder grade cheap vinyl gives vinyl siding a very bad name. But the higher quality stuff is 100X better. If you go vinyl, get the good stuff or you'll be sorry. Vinyl is actually pretty durable outside of really cold weather. It's pretty brittle when cold, but in warm weather it's very very tough.

Fiber cement is expensive. And it's a real hassle to install, so you usually pay more in labor. Usually takes 2 guys to handle it. But it's very durable and lasts forever. You can get it ready to paint, or have it prefinished. Prefinished is the way to go unless you actually want to paint it yourself and save a ton of money. If you paint it yourself, you'll have to reapply it down the road. It's not easy to replace if you damage a section though. Fiber cement isn't usually a very good insulator, unless it's the think expensive stuff. Be sure they put down the insulation layer underneath.

I got all mine from Certainteed. They offer both vinyl and fiber cement.

http://www.certainteed.com/products/siding

I don't think I'd recommend steel or aluminum.

Either way, ensure that the installer does a good job with the insulation underneath the siding. That's a key step that makes a world of difference. Don't let them get lazy with the insulation underneath, because they often do. That step is easily overlooked if you're not watching them closely, and poor insulation underneath can create a whole host of problems.

There are a lot of shitty siding outfits out there. I don't know much about the ones around KC, as I hung siding mostly in KS and NB.... But watch them close, I've seen a lot of folks get screwed over by shoddy installers.

04-10-2010, 02:58 PM
Dartgod Wasted away again... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: in Margaritaville Casino cash: $3810000	Siding: Steel, Vinyl, Aluminum? Thinking of putting on some siding rather than painting and I know nothing about it. What kind is best? Any siding contractors in KC that you would recommend? Enlighten me!
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04-10-2010, 03:05 PM	#2
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $3992680	I think steel is a thing of the past, and even aluminum is pretty rare anymore. They all have their drawbacks, steel will rust, aluminum will dent and vinyl will break, and they ALL will eventually oxidize and discolor. And if it gets damaged it cannot be repaired, and if you need to replace sections of it, it will be impossible to match the existing stuff once it's a few years old. If it was me I'd keep the wood, but I paint for a living so painting isn't that big of deal. My second choice would be aluminum because you can at least paint it 15-20 years down the road when it starts looking like crap. I would never own a house with vinyl on it. Last edited by Bugeater; 04-10-2010 at 03:10 PM..
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04-10-2010, 03:09 PM	#3
jiveturkey Captain Kick Ass Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $9305197	Concrete! http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner...nkLapSiding.py
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04-10-2010, 03:13 PM	#5
Dinny Bossa Nova MVP Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $9990442	Great thread! Been wondering about this myself. Except for the KC contractor part. You mean there is more than just Phobs? Dinny
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Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $3992680	Oh, and one other thing to keep in mind, unless you're going to spend the money to wrap your windows, soffits, and fascia and replace your gutters, you're still going to have painting to do.
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Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	Fiber cement holds paint 3x longer than wood. It's also a 50 year product. That's what I'll be using when my wood siding rots off my house.
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redsurfer11 Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	www.jameshardie.com This has been the rage in the siding industry the last 10 years.
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04-10-2010, 07:01 PM	#13
Kerberos Chiefs Baby Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Henderson, NV Casino cash: $10000632	The house I just sold in KS was 75% Native Stone and the addition was vinyl sided. (other 25%) Thermal aluminum windows and wraping around windows and eve's and aluminum gutters and downspouts. Solid steel front door. Shed was vinyl sided with steel door as well. VERY low maintenance. Just the way I liked it.
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04-10-2010, 07:22 PM	#14
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-468231	We vinyl sided a few years back. Our original wood siding was installed improperly and was rotting off the house. The whole house was an eyesore. Now it looks great. We aluminum wrapped the windows and all. I don't regret it at all. I shopped quite a bit to find a good contractor. Champion is waaaay over priced. Ask for addresses of previous jobs and look how flat the walls look. I would want to see at least 3 or 4 reference houses. I finally found a contractor where all of the reference jobs looked great. The guys that actually did the work were easily in their 60s. They weren't fast but they did a great job.
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04-10-2010, 07:54 PM	#15
Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $-1231081	I used to hang siding in my younger years. Mostly vinyl, but I did everything. Did entire houses. Siding, soffit, facia, and guttering. Each has their benefits. Each has their drawbacks. If you're worried about cost, go with good vinyl. If you want the best and have money to spend on it, go fiber cement. Vinyl is the easiest to own. Usually the cheapest. Easier to install. You can replace sections if you damage anything. You don't have to take all the siding off to get to the damaged piece, you can pop one piece off, replace it, and put the new one on. You get what you pay for though. If you go vinyl, I would highly recommend getting the better quality stuff. Cheap vinyl isn't worth it at all. Builder grade cheap vinyl gives vinyl siding a very bad name. But the higher quality stuff is 100X better. If you go vinyl, get the good stuff or you'll be sorry. Vinyl is actually pretty durable outside of really cold weather. It's pretty brittle when cold, but in warm weather it's very very tough. Fiber cement is expensive. And it's a real hassle to install, so you usually pay more in labor. Usually takes 2 guys to handle it. But it's very durable and lasts forever. You can get it ready to paint, or have it prefinished. Prefinished is the way to go unless you actually want to paint it yourself and save a ton of money. If you paint it yourself, you'll have to reapply it down the road. It's not easy to replace if you damage a section though. Fiber cement isn't usually a very good insulator, unless it's the think expensive stuff. Be sure they put down the insulation layer underneath. I got all mine from Certainteed. They offer both vinyl and fiber cement. http://www.certainteed.com/products/siding I don't think I'd recommend steel or aluminum. Either way, ensure that the installer does a good job with the insulation underneath the siding. That's a key step that makes a world of difference. Don't let them get lazy with the insulation underneath, because they often do. That step is easily overlooked if you're not watching them closely, and poor insulation underneath can create a whole host of problems. There are a lot of shitty siding outfits out there. I don't know much about the ones around KC, as I hung siding mostly in KS and NB.... But watch them close, I've seen a lot of folks get screwed over by shoddy installers. __________________
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