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Old 02-14-2013, 10:24 PM  
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A little something for the nutjobs - all that ammo

Homeland Security and its cache of bullets
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL | Associated Press – 10 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Online rumors about a big government munitions purchase are true, sort of.

The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them — roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States — for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."

The government's explanation is much less sinister.

Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

ICE's ammunition requests in the last year included:

—450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition

—40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds

—176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract

—25,000 blank rounds

The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government's bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets.

Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant inspector general for external relations, said those bullets were for the Social Security inspector general's office, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

Jones the talk-show host did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

http://news.yahoo.com/homeland-secur...190840538.html
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:02 PM   #31
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I dont care if some think it sounds kooky or not, this still smells.

Just how many armed government agencies do we need anyway? every agency Fish listed above needs its own armed force? thats a damn lot of departments... the NOAA needs a bajillion bullets for what again?

Are they having to fend off terrorist sharks and giant squids while they're out there studying the oceans and atmosphere?
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:39 PM   #32
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I dont care if some think it sounds kooky or not, this still smells.

Just how many armed government agencies do we need anyway? every agency Fish listed above needs its own armed force? thats a damn lot of departments... the NOAA needs a bajillion bullets for what again?

Are they having to fend off terrorist sharks and giant squids while they're out there studying the oceans and atmosphere?
KOOK!!!! PSYCHO!!!! CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!! OUR GOVERNMENT NEEDS THOSE BILLIONS OF BULLETS TO SAVE US!!!!/dumb**** liberal sheep
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:41 PM   #33
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I dont care if some think it sounds kooky or not, this still smells.

Just how many armed government agencies do we need anyway? every agency Fish listed above needs its own armed force? thats a damn lot of departments... the NOAA needs a bajillion bullets for what again?

Are they having to fend off terrorist sharks and giant squids while they're out there studying the oceans and atmosphere?
Who said the NOAA needs a bajillion bullets?

So, what's the big concern here? The conspiracy nuts can take any situation and turn it into something "scary."
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:45 PM   #34
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Do you have a better grasp on how much is actually "needed"? If so, please give us your accounting on how much is acceptable and wouldn't stoke your fears of being slaughtered by Obama's death squads. Back it up with how you came to believe that is the acceptable number.
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Old 02-17-2013, 04:47 PM   #35
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Old 02-17-2013, 05:00 PM   #36
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Do you have a better grasp on how much is actually "needed"? If so, please give us your accounting on how much is acceptable and wouldn't stoke your fears of being slaughtered by Obama's death squads. Back it up with how you came to believe that is the acceptable number.
Honest question, why has it never caused ammo shortages before? After all it is just normal consumption right?
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Honest question, why has it never caused ammo shortages before? After all it is just normal consumption right?
I really have no idea about shortages or how real they are. Also not sure if you can say the govt orders have "caused" a shortage. Does the govt not routinely order large amounts of ammo?

But I have heard that guns and ammo sales have been way up ever since Obama was first elected for fear he would be banning them upon his inauguration.
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Do you have a better grasp on how much is actually "needed"? If so, please give us your accounting on how much is acceptable and wouldn't stoke your fears of being slaughtered by Obama's death squads. Back it up with how you came to believe that is the acceptable number.
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Nice response. Was there really something unreasonable about my question? I mean, if people are going to go apeshit over an ammo order, it must be because they know how much is REALLY needed, and they must have something to back up that opinion. Here's your chance to show that you might know what you are talking about--
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I really have no idea about shortages or how real they are. Also not sure if you can say the govt orders have "caused" a shortage. Does the govt not routinely order large amounts of ammo?

But I have heard that guns and ammo sales have been way up ever since Obama was first elected for fear he would be banning them upon his inuaguration.
The increased sales could very well have impacted stock. To be honest I have not researched this subject enough to know the normal ammo consumption of our government~
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Nice response. Was there really something unreasonable about my question? I mean, if people are going to go apeshit over an ammo order, it must be because they know how much is REALLY needed, and they must have something to back up that opinion. Here's your chance to show that you might know what you are talking about--
Sure, I'll get right on providing specific answers to your unanswerable questions.

Any reasonable person should question why these PURELY INTERNAL government agencies need decades worth of ammo. I realize questioning things of this nature violates your programming, but some of us think for ourselves. What do they need it for? Who do they plan to shoot with it? What is the threat? Do I know what they're going to do with it? No, I'm not part of the ruling cabal. Whatever they're planning isn't posted on secretevilplans.org.
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Department of Homeland Security buying up enough ammo to wage seven-year war against the American people

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Sure, I'll get right on providing specific answers to your unanswerable questions.

Any reasonable person should question why these PURELY INTERNAL government agencies need decades worth of ammo. I realize questioning things of this nature violates your programming, but some of us think for ourselves. What do they need it for? Who do they plan to shoot with it? What is the threat? Do I know what they're going to do with it? No, I'm not part of the ruling cabal. Whatever they're planning isn't posted on secretevilplans.org.
A reasonable person, without much knowledge of the actual and complete functions of these groups, how big they are, etc., would not automatically assume a sinister plot to slaughter massive amounts of US citizens. Do you even know what is a "normal" amount of ammo to order and for how long it lasts? Eh, doesn't matter--easier to just spin wild tales. If they ordered half the amount, you could still spin the wild tales. Who the **** knows what is a "reasonable" amount? Not you--but don't let that stop you from getting hysterical about it.
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"I have no doubt that the ultimate plan here is to arm TSA agents and unleash them across the USA as a new storm trooper force to put in place total tyranny across the country."

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