What's going to happen to our offense when AS, Solari, and company are gone?

[chiefsfan1963]

Just curious. Looking at all the news it looks like CP is going to clean house! With Vermiel's departure he has decided not to continue with the direction the team was going. Our offense has been in the Top 3 the last 5 years and our D appears to have improved and both would continue to improve next year with some additional talent added either through free agency and the upcoming draft.

With the upcoming massive changes in our coaching staff, it could prove costly next year to the Chiefs resulting in the team taking a large step back despite the talent pool we have.

New coach, new philosophy, new staff, new everything! The lack of consistency could be very detrimental to the players.

Promoting AS to the HC seems to be the smartest move right now and it will give us the best chance to be very competitive next year and beyond. If we don't choose this direction, we could see more frustration for another 5 years!

This is not the time to pull the rip cord. Why give up draft picks now when what we need most is good young potential franchise players to develop for the future?

Thoughts?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

"people hope that al saunders can maintain the offense while changing it up on defense." Exactly why Gunther was promoted -- just slide on over to a different chair, all the strengths remain, all the weaknesses improve. Simple. Continuity.

i don't think that gunther had much to maintain...

back when he had a ready made pass rush with with neil smith and derrick thomas to go along with 2 cornerbacks in hasty and carter his job was relative simple.

he also had a defensive head coach to hold his hand in marty shottenheimer.


the defense has had issues ever since, even with gunther.


on the other hand, i think with al saunders the offensive players have over achieved ... the system has made them better.

can saunders do the same without Vermeil?

can saunders be one of these HC/OC's?



i don't know ... i hope so



i've Never been too impressed with Herm edwards as a head coach in NY.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by Laz

i don't think that gunther had much to maintain...

back when he had a ready made pass with with neil smith and derrick thomas to go along with 2 cornerbacks in hasty and carter his job was relative simple.

he also had a defensive head coach to hold his hand in marty shottenheimer.


the defense has had issues ever since, even with gunther.


on the other hand, i think al saunders the offensive players have over achieved ... the system has made them better.

can saunders do the same without Vermeil?

can saunders be one of these HC/OC's?



i don't know ... i hope so

I agree about the Gun D. In hindsight. At the time though, they thought it was good enough to make another run. They wanted continuity. Just remove Marty from the equation, we can return to the 13-3 days of 1997. That was their thinking. They were dead wrong.

The stuff about Saunders is all valid.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Laz

i don't think that gunther had much to maintain...

back when he had a ready made pass with with neil smith and derrick thomas to go along with 2 cornerbacks in hasty and carter his job was relative simple.

he also had a defensive head coach to hold his hand in marty shottenheimer.


the defense has had issues ever since, even with gunther.


on the other hand, i think al saunders the offensive players have over achieved ... the system has made them better.

can saunders do the same without Vermeil?

can saunders be one of these HC/OC's?



i don't know ... i hope so



i've Never been too impressed with Herm edwards as a head coach in NY.

I don't think Saunders had that much to maintain...

Back when he had a ready made running game with Larry Johnson and Priest Holmes to go along with Will Shields, Willie Roaf, and Brian Waters, his job was relatively simple.

He also had an offensive head coach to hold his hand, in Dick vermeil.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Laz

i don't think that gunther had much to maintain...

back when he had a ready made pass rush with with neil smith and derrick thomas to go along with 2 cornerbacks in hasty and carter his job was relative simple.

he also had a defensive head coach to hold his hand in marty shottenheimer.


the defense has had issues ever since, even with gunther.


on the other hand, i think with al saunders the offensive players have over achieved ... the system has made them better.

can saunders do the same without Vermeil?

can saunders be one of these HC/OC's?



i don't know ... i hope so



i've Never been too impressed with Herm edwards as a head coach in NY.

He has been to the playoffs two more times than we have been in the 5 years. And he has actually won playoff games... on the road no less.

He will do fine. Our offense will be fine. How could you mess it up? D can't help but improve.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

Just curious. Looking at all the news it looks like CP is going to clean house! With Vermiel's departure he has decided not to continue with the direction the team was going. Our offense has been in the Top 3 the last 5 years and our D appears to have improved and both would continue to improve next year with some additional talent added either through free agency and the upcoming draft.

With the upcoming massive changes in our coaching staff, it could prove costly next year to the Chiefs resulting in the team taking a large step back despite the talent pool we have.

New coach, new philosophy, new staff, new everything! The lack of consistency could be very detrimental to the players.

Promoting AS to the HC seems to be the smartest move right now and it will give us the best chance to be very competitive next year and beyond. If we don't choose this direction, we could see more frustration for another 5 years!

This is not the time to pull the rip cord. Why give up draft picks now when what we need most is good young potential franchise players to develop for the future?

Thoughts?

don't fret........Carl has a plan!

[sedated]

There are so many examples of coaching making the difference on a team, why do people continue to think otherwise?

UCF was the worst team in college football. They got O'Leary and went to a bowl game. Similar situation for Mangina at KU.

Think the Bucs would have won the Super Bowl had Gruden stayed in Oakland?

Would New England have won anything if Bellichick was still in NY?

With the wrong coach, this team will turn into shit faster than ENDelt and Mer take over threads. Note to KingCarl - we still have one good year left, don't ruin it.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by sedated

There are so many examples of coaching making the difference on a team, why do people continue to think otherwise?

UCF was the worst team in college football. They got O'Leary and went to a bowl game. Similar situation for Mangina at KU.

Think the Bucs would have won the Super Bowl had Gruden stayed in Oakland?

Would New England have won anything if Bellichick was still in NY?

With the wrong coach, this team will turn into shit faster than ENDelt and Mer take over threads. Note to KingCarl - we still have one good year left, don't ruin it.

How many playoff appearance have we had in the last few years?


We really are not that good. Granted we are not that bad.... but we are not that good either.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Our offense will be fine. How could you mess it up?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't think Saunders had that much to maintain...

Back when he had a ready made running game with Larry Johnson and Priest Holmes to go along with Will Shields, Willie Roaf, and Brian Waters, his job was relatively simple.

He also had an offensive head coach to hold his hand, in Dick vermeil.

maintain??? .... saunders and Vermeil built the offense they didn't just maintain it.

with marty and gunther our offense sucked even with the best offense line in the league.


btw - didn't i include Vermeil in my post about saunders as a question mark? don't know why you felt it was a point for you to make then.

[chiefsfan1963]

Originally Posted by jspchief

You're jumping to conclusions if that's what you think I'm saying.

Do I think Gun would have built this offense? Of course not.

Do I think that an offense with 8 pro-bowlers on it is going to crumble with a new coaching situation? No fucking way.

If this offense begins to falter, it will be due to age, not coaching. It won't take a genious to move the ball when working with 3 pro-bowl O-linemen, 2 Pro-bowl RBs, 1 pro-bowl QB, and a pro-bowl TE. Will we continue to be #1 in the league? Maybe not. but I don't think we're just going to start sucking because Saunders is gone.

So if the O starts to decline with who ever the HC is will you then give props to AS? Why not just promote AS now and find out for sure? Hasn't he earned at least this? To me giving up draft picks is crazy given where we are today and the fact that Vermiel left us with a pretty decent team that could do some damage next year and might go the distance.

[Johnson&Johnson]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

New coach, new philosophy, new staff, new everything! The lack of consistency could be very detrimental to the players.

Promoting AS to the HC seems to be the smartest move right now and it will give us the best chance to be very competitive next year and beyond. If we don't choose this direction, we could see more frustration for another 5 years!

Thoughts?

The lack of consistency could be detrimental? Promote AS to keep that consistency you think?

Just look back at the 1999 Rams where Vermeil won a SB and he left the team with 100% consistency... in the hands of the OFFensive CoORdinator named Mike Martz. Need I say more?

NO AL SAUNDERS! For god's sake, Detroit, Minn...hired Al already, everyday that he's sitting around worries me that King Carl might hit the panic button and offers Al the job....

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

So if the O starts to decline with who ever the HC is will you then give props to AS? Why not just promote AS now and find out for sure? Hasn't he earned at least this? To me giving up draft picks is crazy given where we are today and the fact that Vermiel left us with a pretty decent team that could do some damage next year and might go the distance.

I already give props to Al Saunders for being a very good O-coordinator. That doesn't mean I want him as head coach.

[chiefsfan1963]

He will do fine. Our offense will be fine. How could you mess it up? D can't help but improve.[/QUOTE]

Famous last words!

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Laz

maintain??? .... saunders and Vermeil built the offense they didn't just maintain it.

with marty and gunther our offense sucked even with the best offense line in the league.


btw - didn't i include Vermeil in my post about saunders as a question mark? don't know why you felt it was a point for you to make then.

It was a tongue in cheek response to your reasons why Cunningham wasn't a viable HC candidate back in '98. Every reason you gave could be applied to Saunders in the Vermeil era.

[chiefsfan1963]

Originally Posted by Johnson&Johnson

The lack of consistency could be detrimental? Promote AS to keep that consistency you think?

Just look back at the 1999 Rams where Vermeil won a SB and he left the team with 100% consistency... in the hands of the OFFensive CoORdinator named Mike Martz. Need I say more?

NO AL SAUNDERS! For god's sake, Detroit, Minn...hired Al already, everyday that he's sitting around worries me that King Carl might hit the panic button and offers Al the job....

AS deserves a shot. You can't evaluate him as an HC until he actually is one. You can't say that Martz didn't work out so that means AS won't. By the way Martz record as an HC was not too shabby. I certainly would be happy if AS could equal it if not improve upon it. Martz will be a HC for some team in the very near future probably starting next season!