Chiefs Late night bullshit: are you a defense or an offense fan? (Also, Poe.) - Page 4

Direckshun · 05-04-2012, 12:08 AM

Let's make this a poll.

I personally have always been more partial to defense. I think a great defense is like art in motion. An offense can be powered by a great quarterback or an elite player here or there, but a great defense requires an orchestration from all parts that an offense doesn't always require. Sure it helps if the left guard cut-blocks the defensive end on the far side of the field so that Jamaal Charles can have an additional tenth-of-a-second darting towards the opposite side of the field, but a great defense requires 11 moving pieces.

In that sense, I enjoyed the 90s Chiefs more than the 2000s Chiefs, the lopsided-defense teams over the lopsided-offense teams.

I've loved the development of this defense under Pioli and Crennel. We have the best and deepest defensive line this team has had since the days of Dan Saleamua (sp?). Our passrush rivals Allen/Hali from the Herm Edwards days. And our secondary is one of the very best the NFL has to offer.

It's been a bit anticlimactic for me, however. When I watch the big-ass defensive line required by a 3-4 defense, what position holds more fascination than the nose tackle?

You're talking about a humongous brute, whose sheer size is so great he lines up directly over the center with the intention of simply pushing the guy back by being big. He exists on a very small (but crucial) part of the field, and is bigger than everybody else, stronger than everybody else, and on the best defenses, more ferocious than everybody else. We're talking about a guy so big that he creates injuries by simply falling on people.

It's like an invulnerable superhuman, and it just fascinates me to watch it. So little movement all over the field compared to everybody else. Yet the things happening between the hashes, going up against the heart of an offensive line built to punish defenders, totally outnumbered and outgunned, are among the most important on the field.

We finally got one. And he is not small, and he is immensely gifted. 6'4", 350 lbs. He's among the strongest the league has to offer. Among the fastest the league has to offer.

I wasn't thrilled about the pick, but in a way I'm glad we got him. We finally have a player who does things like this:

And you absolutely have to love the primal scream about :33 in when he's getting close to 44 reps...

You see the guys on the sidelines lighting up. It's magnetic. It's something no other position can really do for your defense. It colors the entire defense.

No particular point to this thread. Just a meditation on defense, the nose tackle, and Poe.

It's too easy to hate on this guy, folks. Let's get the positive mojo going.

ncCHIEFfan · 05-04-2012, 04:08 AM

I love wining! Would be great to see our Chiefs imposing their WILL upon other teams, offensively and defensively.

Dayze · 05-04-2012, 04:32 AM

Defense for me.

Oh....and playing on grass fields. I hate that field turf stuff. I need to see grass stained uniforms. Mud. Etc.

But I digress

ChiefMojo · 05-04-2012, 05:57 AM

I'm in the boat of 1) Defense 2) Smash mouth football 3) Passing attack

El Jefe · 05-04-2012, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

REALLY?

No DEFENSE people?

God. If I got to piss during a game, I do it when we force the other team to punt. I ****ing love defense.

I know much more about it than I do offense.

I am defense all the way. Nothing gets me more excited than a mean, fast, hard hitting defense, I love Defense.

htismaqe · 05-04-2012, 06:23 AM

I like big plays, offensive or defensive, running or passing.

Picks, sacks, long runs, that's what I like.

**Saulbadguy** · 05-04-2012, 06:25 AM

I like them both.

However, a bad defense seems to be quite a bit more frustrating to watch as a fan.

htismaqe · 05-04-2012, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I like them both.

However, a bad defense seems to be quite a bit more frustrating to watch as a fan.

I don't know. Watching a team go 14 plays for a TD is frustrating but so is back-to-back 3 and outs...

**Saulbadguy** · 05-04-2012, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't know. Watching a team go 14 plays for a TD is frustrating but so is back-to-back 3 and outs...

I observe that many fans blame "play calling" on bad offensive drives.

Poor defensive outings is blamed on lack of talent...or players being "****ing pussies"

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-04-2012, 07:02 AM

Chiefnj2 · 05-04-2012, 07:04 AM

When watching the Chiefs I like defense because that's almost always been the strength of the team (Vermeil years excluded).

If I'm watching other teams play I prefer offense.

htismaqe · 05-04-2012, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

I observe that many fans blame "play calling" on bad offensive drives.

Poor defensive outings is blamed on lack of talent...or players being "****ing pussies"

That is kind of interesting.

I tend to think execution is the biggest reason for success (or failure) regardless of which side of the ball is playing.

tyton75 · 05-04-2012, 07:10 AM

Gimme a Defense and an Okoye-esqe running game and I'm a happy camper

htismaqe · 05-04-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tyton75

Gimme a Defense and an Okoye-esqe running game and I'm a happy camper

Boring. Caveman ball doesn't win championships.

suds79 · 05-04-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Boring. Caveman ball doesn't win championships.

Yep to that last part.

I love a great run where a RB makes 3-4 guys miss more than anyone. Having said that? I'd dump it all for a franchise QB running some spread esk system throwing for 4500 yards a season.

That's what it takes to win SBs.

Sofa King · 05-04-2012, 07:21 AM

I love Special Teams. If i have to piss, i do it when the offense or defense is on the field.

05-04-2012, 12:08 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4343447	Late night bullshit: are you a defense or an offense fan? (Also, Poe.) Let's make this a poll. I personally have always been more partial to defense. I think a great defense is like art in motion. An offense can be powered by a great quarterback or an elite player here or there, but a great defense requires an orchestration from all parts that an offense doesn't always require. Sure it helps if the left guard cut-blocks the defensive end on the far side of the field so that Jamaal Charles can have an additional tenth-of-a-second darting towards the opposite side of the field, but a great defense requires 11 moving pieces. In that sense, I enjoyed the 90s Chiefs more than the 2000s Chiefs, the lopsided-defense teams over the lopsided-offense teams. I've loved the development of this defense under Pioli and Crennel. We have the best and deepest defensive line this team has had since the days of Dan Saleamua (sp?). Our passrush rivals Allen/Hali from the Herm Edwards days. And our secondary is one of the very best the NFL has to offer. It's been a bit anticlimactic for me, however. When I watch the big-ass defensive line required by a 3-4 defense, what position holds more fascination than the nose tackle? You're talking about a humongous brute, whose sheer size is so great he lines up directly over the center with the intention of simply pushing the guy back by being big. He exists on a very small (but crucial) part of the field, and is bigger than everybody else, stronger than everybody else, and on the best defenses, more ferocious than everybody else. We're talking about a guy so big that he creates injuries by simply falling on people. It's like an invulnerable superhuman, and it just fascinates me to watch it. So little movement all over the field compared to everybody else. Yet the things happening between the hashes, going up against the heart of an offensive line built to punish defenders, totally outnumbered and outgunned, are among the most important on the field. We finally got one. And he is not small, and he is immensely gifted. 6'4", 350 lbs. He's among the strongest the league has to offer. Among the fastest the league has to offer. I wasn't thrilled about the pick, but in a way I'm glad we got him. We finally have a player who does things like this: And you absolutely have to love the primal scream about :33 in when he's getting close to 44 reps... You see the guys on the sidelines lighting up. It's magnetic. It's something no other position can really do for your defense. It colors the entire defense. No particular point to this thread. Just a meditation on defense, the nose tackle, and Poe. It's too easy to hate on this guy, folks. Let's get the positive mojo going.
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