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Old 07-03-2015, 11:03 PM  
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So, I just saw Food inc. on TV. I leave wanting to do everything possible to not support Monsanto companies. So, to you farmers out there, is it really that bad? Agents checking to see if you save seeds, etc.?

The show made me want to call up Monsanto and tell them I'm stealing seed from farms and selling it, then kill ( or choke out) the agents they send. Is it really as bad as the show made it out to be?
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Old 07-04-2015, 10:45 AM   #16
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Just don't think the retail Roundup seems at potent as the farm stuff. my opinion.

As far as the other-farmers would know.
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Old 07-04-2015, 10:53 AM   #17
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The Roundup crap at Home Depot is not anywhere close to what dad would get on the farm.

buehler-my wife works at Syngenta Corporate here in the cities. Guess what the buzz there has been?
Does Monsanto have a bid out to buy Syngenta? I think I remember hearing that. I haven't heard too much from Syngenta lately. Like all of their Kansas regional reps went to the Pinnacle group or whatever it's called now.

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Just don't think the retail Roundup seems at potent as the farm stuff. my opinion.

As far as the other-farmers would know.
Believe me it's not the same stuff. Not even close.
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Old 07-04-2015, 10:58 AM   #18
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Does Monsanto have a bid out to buy Syngenta? I think I remember hearing that. I haven't heard too much from Syngenta lately. Like all of their Kansas regional reps went to the Pinnacle group or whatever it's called now.
40 Billion. Been rejected 2x. Monsanto wants crop protection. Who knows what would happen to seeds and garden. Syngenta provides 80% of the sugar beets in the US. Big in Northern Minnesota.


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Believe me it's not the same stuff. Not even close.
Thought so. Have to ask the renter for some the next time I am home.
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Old 07-04-2015, 10:59 AM   #19
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I'm anti-GMO and Monsanto. Most farmer's aren't but I consider them a vested interest who make a living from this stuff as well. So I don't think their position is objective and they're not nutritionists. No offense intended to any of them. My daughter's aunts and uncles are in this camp and they're good people.
I hold the position that you aren't objective either. I don't think you are a nutritionist either, and there are a lot of hack nutritionists that are based on a shitton of bad science. Just like dumbass anti-Vaxers, crazy quack chiropractors and the like.

I don't want to go back down that road with you, but as unobjective as you think I am, I think you are too.

I would encourage you to go to the St Louis research facility. You can heckle the **** out of the tour guide there and he might give you some perspective on the information you have been given. Also, the invitation is open to visit my fake whenever you want. There are some organic farms around that I can show you in comparison to mine.
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Old 07-04-2015, 11:00 AM   #20
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40 Billion. Been rejected 2x. Monsanto wants crop protection. Who knows what would happen to seeds and garden. Syngenta provides 80% of the sugar beets in the US. Big in Northern Minnesota.



Thought so. Have to ask the renter for some the next time I am home.
Christ. I thought the 40B was for all of it. Just for the chemical? .
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Christ. I thought the 40B was for all of it. Just for the chemical? .
They would want it all-but keep chem and spin off the rest. I think you got that.
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I'm anti-GMO and Monsanto. Most farmer's aren't but I consider them a vested interest who make a living from this stuff as well. So I don't think their position is objective and they're not nutritionists. No offense intended to any of them. My daughter's aunts and uncles are in this camp and they're good people.
Find food that is not GMO. Its just at different levels.
Gregor Mendel GMO'd peas 400 years ago.
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Old 07-04-2015, 11:05 AM   #23
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I hold the position that you aren't objective either. I don't think you are a nutritionist either, and there are a lot of hack nutritionists that are based on a shitton of bad science. Just like dumbass anti-Vaxers, crazy quack chiropractors and the like.
Wow, how gracious of you over a difference in opinion. You're just making assertions about "hack nutritionists" with no basis in fact. I have used them and have a relative who is one with a Masters in it. I read quite a bit in the area.

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I would encourage you to go to the St Louis research facility. You can heckle the **** out of the tour guide there and he might give you some perspective on the information you have been given. Also, the invitation is open to visit my fake whenever you want. There are some organic farms around that I can show you in comparison to mine.
I don't need to. I already read both sides.
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Find food that is not GMO. It just at different levels.
I can and do when it's certified. I am sure I am eating some though. I love how the major media never reported the mass dumping of Monstanto foods in Europe. The fact that Monsanto needs a crony relationship with govt to protect them is mostly what I need to know about their products. I can understand farmers wanting the greatest yields to make a living. As far as I am concerned this has not stood the test of time long enough.

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So. I don't consider his work an argument for GMO's, eventhough it's commonly cited by its supporters. Not exactly apples to apples. As far as I am concerned wild foods are the best foods.
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I don't need to. I already read both sides.
In that case just finish this thread and we can be done here...
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In that case just finish this thread and we can be done here...
Why is it that I can't just post my opinion on something, without it being attacked, questioned or challenged? That's all I did. So I got two responses that I answered. WTF?
I just doing what anybody else did. This is a message board, is it not?
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They bought a giant ass weather data company for huge monies. Lord knows what for. I think if I had to guess they're going to sell a variety selection service based on projected weather patterns but I don't know.

Either way, you're up in the Dakotas, right? I didn't know they had that much rain. Glad you got it in.
The land is in NW Mo. So you know the weather But I'm an absentee owner and will be able to walk it soon for the first time this growing season.
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If Monsanto owns a weather data company, they could use averages to suggest the correct seed, chemicals, and timing of everything to a specific farmer depending on location. They would provide a total management system. It could be linked with a farmers GPS data All to maximize yield and profits.

Data is the big word in everything today. We have to keep data on the kids, assessments and which group of kid passes or not. Feels like we are turning them into guinea pigs. I digress.
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You've read both sides.

Save me the time...
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Wow, how gracious of you over a difference in opinion. You're just making assertions about "hack nutritionists" with no basis in fact. I have used them and have a relative who is one with a Masters in it. I read quite a bit in the area.


I don't need to. I already read both sides.
I didn't say all nutritionists are hacks Are even that yours was. What I do know is there is a massive amount of misinformation out there, and of course that's the shit that gets headlines.

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I can and do when it's certified. I am sure I am eating some though. I love how the major media never reported the mass dumping of Monstanto foods in Europe. The fact that Monsanto needs a crony relationship with govt to protect them is mostly what I need to know about their products. I can understand farmers wanting the greatest yields to make a living. As far as I am concerned this has not stood the test of time long enough.



So. I don't consider his work an argument for GMO's, eventhough it's commonly cited by its supporters. Not exactly apples to apples. As far as I am concerned wild foods are the best foods.
How is it not genetically modified? Wheat, corn, sorghum, soybeans are not native to this planet. As entire species. They were selectively bred based on qualities that were favorable. But rather than capturing pollen and manually pollenating the female, Monsanto just does it far better than their predecessors.
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