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Old 04-25-2011, 03:51 PM  
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Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone)
A few have suggested it, might as well test the waters. The idea is to give people who haven't read the books a safe place to talk about the show.

A few quick ground rules:
  • No Spoilers!!!!! for upcoming episodes.
  • Larger Song of Ice and Fire discussion should be limited to the other thread although I think a tiny bit of book delving to fill in holes should be okay (example of this would be talking about Catelyn and her treatment of the wolves in the novel, which was alluded to on TV but never really made clear...)
  • Everything that happened that week is fair game once an episode airs. So if you don't watch on Sunday night, I'd stay outta here until you do...
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Old 06-09-2015, 03:07 PM   #3076
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Dragons can live like 200 years.

Drogon, Rhaegal and Viserion are maybe 3 (?). They've got a lot of growing to do.

This prompted me to refresh my memory on the dragons, and yeah, you are absolutely right. A few facts (none of which apply to Drogon, who is obviously just a kid, in Dragon terms).

1. as someone else mentioned, Balarion's fire was so hot it melted towers of Harrenhal.

2. the one time the three dragons took to the skies together, they burned 4,000 enemy soldiers. Drogon couldn't even do like 50.

3. Balarion's teeth were the size of swords, and his jaws wide enough that he could eat a mammoth whole.

By contrast, Drogon's teeth definitely aren't swords. See pic below.




One artist's image of Balarion, based on the description in teh books, makes him a bit bigger than Drogon. If you look carefully at the picture below, you'll notice tiny little Aegon the Conqueror on his back...




Quite different from.

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Old 06-09-2015, 08:17 PM   #3077
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Dragons can live like 200 years.

Drogon, Rhaegal and Viserion are maybe 3 (?). They've got a lot of growing to do.
THIS! Kill em when they are young or else don't make an enemy of their riders.
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Old 06-09-2015, 09:01 PM   #3078
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Spears are a good weapon against scaled things. Long sharp point to find a space between scales and penetrate into the deep tissues.

I imagine if you managed to hit even a fully grown dragon with a siege weapon it will be in pretty rough shape. The flight and somewhat ranged attack with the fire is what makes them dangerous, on the ground there is more ways to kill them.

The Romans for example could fire a ballista pretty fast and accurately.
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Old 06-09-2015, 09:08 PM   #3079
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Spears are a good weapon against scaled things. Long sharp point to find a space between scales and penetrate into the deep tissues.

I imagine if you managed to hit even a fully grown dragon with a siege weapon it will be in pretty rough shape. The flight and somewhat ranged attack with the fire is what makes them dangerous, on the ground there is more ways to kill them.

The Romans for example could fire a ballista pretty fast and accurately.
Yeah. If I were fighting a dragon it would be a Balista.
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Old 06-10-2015, 02:12 AM   #3080
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One thing to not overlook in the heat of the arena battle: Jorah made skin-to-skin physical contact with Danerys...
Not really much of a spoiler, but since they did this skin to skin contact, they could delve into this tidbit from the books:

Spoiler!

Again, they may not go that deep into detail in the show, but they could.
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Old 06-10-2015, 07:13 AM   #3081
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Not really much of a spoiler, but since they did this skin to skin contact, they could delve into this tidbit from the books:

Spoiler!

Again, they may not go that deep into detail in the show, but they could.
That has actually been debunked by GRRM. Targaryens are not immune to fire. Dany surviving the pyre was due to a special circumstance (the birth of the dragons), not her fire immunity.

Otherwise, why would some hot metal have killed Viserys?

Also:
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Old 06-10-2015, 07:25 AM   #3082
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That has actually been debunked by GRRM. Targaryens are not immune to fire. Dany surviving the pyre was due to a special circumstance (the birth of the dragons), not her fire immunity.

Otherwise, why would some hot metal have killed Viserys?

Also:
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They said it was because her brother wasn't a real dragon (targaryian)
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Old 06-10-2015, 07:44 AM   #3083
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They said it was because her brother wasn't a real dragon (targaryian)
Viserys is definitely full Targaryen. Both his mother and his father were Targaryens. In fact, they were siblings. If he isn't a Targaryen, then neither are Rheagar or Dany.
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Old 06-10-2015, 08:21 AM   #3084
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Viserys is definitely full Targaryen. Both his mother and his father were Targaryens. In fact, they were siblings. If he isn't a Targaryen, then neither are Rheagar or Dany.
I thought his mother was Elia Martel?

Either way, I think they meant that he didn't have the heart of a dragon or whatever. I'm just saying what was dead after his head went KONG.
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I thought his mother was Elia Martel?

Either way, I think they meant that he didn't have the heart of a dragon or whatever. I'm just saying what was dead after his head went KONG.
Elia Martel was married to Rhaegar, who was Viserys' and Dany's older brother.

Viserys was a full on Targaryan, but Dany's immunity to the fire is not shared by all Targaryans, and may have been a one time thing for even Dany, though she is clearly less affected by heat than most people. Still not sure if she is completely immune to fire outside of the magical dragon birthing pyre.
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I think it's pretty clear Dany is immune to fire. The first book she seems to crave the feel of extreme heat on her skin, and in the dragon birth loses all her hair but skin is fine. Nothing is ever said to imply any special protection because it was while dragons were being born. The fire was set by humans. Also didn't the baby dragons burn up a room full of bad guys that Dany was in at one point when they were trying to capture the dragons? It was in some tomb-like structure. I can't remember for sure if that required her to be immune.
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now see....if they'da had Drogo blast the harpy punks that were holding her....and Dany of course....then we'd know for sure. woulda been cool as hell.
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now see....if they'da had Drogo blast the harpy punks that were holding her....and Dany of course....then we'd know for sure. woulda been cool as hell.
Drogo's dead, dude.
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I think it's pretty clear Dany is immune to fire. The first book she seems to crave the feel of extreme heat on her skin, and in the dragon birth loses all her hair but skin is fine. Nothing is ever said to imply any special protection because it was while dragons were being born. The fire was set by humans. Also didn't the baby dragons burn up a room full of bad guys that Dany was in at one point when they were trying to capture the dragons? It was in some tomb-like structure. I can't remember for sure if that required her to be immune.
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Drogo's dead, dude.
hahaha. yep. can't really shorten Drogons name can you.....
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