Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 16

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

philfree · 03-05-2013, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Hali has a huge contract and is 29 or 30..he's about done.

Last year he did a TC interview where he said that he felt old then he said when he was on the field he felt young. So I agree.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Last year he did a TC interview where he said that he felt old then he said when he was on the field he felt young. So I agree.

He is not done. My god you guys who think Tamba needs to go are insane.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think it would be the most important shifting of priorities this team has experienced since, at the very least, the turn of the century.

Herm turned us from aging vets to youth and the draft.

Reid is turning us, potentially, from castoffs to home-grown, drafted QBs.

A coup can simply be a clever act, by the way.

I don't think it's clever to spend your first two picks on QB's. I don't know if that's ever happened in the history of the NFL.

Plus, the Chiefs have glaring needs at safety, CB, ILB, DE and need for depth everywhere.

It just doesn't make sense.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Any QBs in this draft that you like, Mecca?

I think a few of them have a shot to be good, Barkley does if he goes to the right place. Bray does if he can sit, Geno I'm kinda hit or miss on honestly.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think it's clever to spend your first two picks on QB's. I don't know if that's ever happened in the history of the NFL.

We should trade back and either grade millner or richardson.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think it's clever to spend your first two picks on QB's. I don't know if that's ever happened in the history of the NFL.

Plus, the Chiefs have glaring needs at safety, CB, ILB, DE and need for depth everywhere.

It just doesn't make sense.

It makes sense. You might not agree with that sense, but it's there.

The case is, we've got the worst QB depth chart in the NFL, possibly of the past several years.

Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi.

Given the importance of the position, it's not unreasonable to commit incredible resources to attempt to remedy the situation.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

We should trade back and either grade millner or richardson.

There are many options if they trade back.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

We should trade back and either grade millner or richardson.

Another DL in the first really?

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 12:58 AM

I don't treat trading back as a serious option.

Trading back from #1 overall is damn near impossible.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I don't treat trading back as a serious option.

Trading back from #1 overall is damn near impossible.

Not if you'll take 50 cents on the dollar to do it.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Another DL in the first really?

If Canty comes here than no the pick will be Millner but if they grab Sean Smith my god what can we do.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Not if you'll take 50 cents on the dollar to do it.

I'm not opposed to that.

But teams don't want the #1 pick this year. They do not want it.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm not opposed to that.

But teams don't want the #1 pick this year. They do not want it.

Im sure teams will want to trade up for Joeckel.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

Im sure teams will want to trade up for Joeckel.

Nope. Nobody's trading up for Joeckel.

Eric Fisher and Lane Johnson are both Top 10 talents. I'd argue Fisher is better.

Why trade up when you can almost certainly stay put and get a great LT prospect where you are.

philfree · 03-05-2013, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

He is not done. My god you guys who think Tamba needs to go are insane.

He's got a couple more years. I don't know what would be wrong with drafting a player that we don't have to urgently get ready to play. The guys that are drafted as saviors never pan out. So why not draft a guy and work him in a little slower. With an OLB we could also put that guy on the field with Hali and Houston in some packages and get after the QB. I still like Hali but he's not young.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4313447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4313447	I don't treat trading back as a serious option. Trading back from #1 overall is damn near impossible.
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