Chiefs Late night bullshit: are you a defense or an offense fan? (Also, Poe.) - Page 7

Direckshun · 05-04-2012, 12:08 AM

Let's make this a poll.

I personally have always been more partial to defense. I think a great defense is like art in motion. An offense can be powered by a great quarterback or an elite player here or there, but a great defense requires an orchestration from all parts that an offense doesn't always require. Sure it helps if the left guard cut-blocks the defensive end on the far side of the field so that Jamaal Charles can have an additional tenth-of-a-second darting towards the opposite side of the field, but a great defense requires 11 moving pieces.

In that sense, I enjoyed the 90s Chiefs more than the 2000s Chiefs, the lopsided-defense teams over the lopsided-offense teams.

I've loved the development of this defense under Pioli and Crennel. We have the best and deepest defensive line this team has had since the days of Dan Saleamua (sp?). Our passrush rivals Allen/Hali from the Herm Edwards days. And our secondary is one of the very best the NFL has to offer.

It's been a bit anticlimactic for me, however. When I watch the big-ass defensive line required by a 3-4 defense, what position holds more fascination than the nose tackle?

You're talking about a humongous brute, whose sheer size is so great he lines up directly over the center with the intention of simply pushing the guy back by being big. He exists on a very small (but crucial) part of the field, and is bigger than everybody else, stronger than everybody else, and on the best defenses, more ferocious than everybody else. We're talking about a guy so big that he creates injuries by simply falling on people.

It's like an invulnerable superhuman, and it just fascinates me to watch it. So little movement all over the field compared to everybody else. Yet the things happening between the hashes, going up against the heart of an offensive line built to punish defenders, totally outnumbered and outgunned, are among the most important on the field.

We finally got one. And he is not small, and he is immensely gifted. 6'4", 350 lbs. He's among the strongest the league has to offer. Among the fastest the league has to offer.

I wasn't thrilled about the pick, but in a way I'm glad we got him. We finally have a player who does things like this:

And you absolutely have to love the primal scream about :33 in when he's getting close to 44 reps...

You see the guys on the sidelines lighting up. It's magnetic. It's something no other position can really do for your defense. It colors the entire defense.

No particular point to this thread. Just a meditation on defense, the nose tackle, and Poe.

It's too easy to hate on this guy, folks. Let's get the positive mojo going.

Amnorix · 05-04-2012, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69

The '85 Bears won one Super Bowl as did the defense laden Ravens and Bucs because they were not balanced teams.

'85 Bears had a much better defense than offense, but they actually had a very solid offense with Sweetness and McMahon, no question about it. They were just in the league at the wrong time -- the Redskins, Giants and Niners had AWESOME teams at the same time they had an awesome team.

Hydrae · 05-04-2012, 01:14 PM

I moved to Missouri in 1990 and started watching the Chiefs. Before that I was in the northwest and kind of followed the Seahawks of Largent and Curt Warner but never got into them much. Those early 90s teams caught my attention and caused me to be a lifelong Chiefs fan even though I left the area 3 short years later.

For this reason, it is defense that gets my juices flowing. Stop the run and have an unstoppable running game is my favorite. It saddens me that it seems to have a limited place in todays NFL.

Chiefnj2 · 05-04-2012, 01:17 PM

If KC played Denver in the AFC Championship game, I would be happier if the final play was a bonecrunching sack of Peyton Manning rather than a TD run by Charles.

**Renegade** · 05-04-2012, 01:22 PM

I tend to focus on both the offensive and defensive lines. I love the battle upfront, the grunt work if you will.

Hoover · 05-04-2012, 01:31 PM

I love both sides of the ball, but if I was building a team I'd want a dominate defense combined with a dominate running game.

I want to control the game.

Examples of this were the 2010 Chiefs, and the 2012 49ers

Chief Roundup · 05-04-2012, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover

I love both sides of the ball, but if I was building a team I'd want a dominate defense combined with a dominate running game.

I want to control the game.

Examples of this were the 2010 Chiefs, and the 2012 49ers

Think you meant dominant.

ThaVirus · 05-04-2012, 01:41 PM

I'd have to go offense. Although a great defense gets my jimmy in a semi, there's nothing like the emotion I feel when we score a TD. I was alive during the 90's defense days, but really got into football during Vermeil's time so maybe that has something to do with it.

I can just say, with that 02-05 offense, we had a shot in EVERY game no matter what. If we started off slow and got down two TDs, didn't matter. Ended up negative in the turnover ratio, didn't matter. No deficit was insurmountable. Our offenses lately have been putrid and I ****ing hate it. I feel like, with our defense playing to it's potential, we have a shot in every game- but only to keep it close. I don't ever expect to win games because I have abosultely zero faith in our offenses ability to put points on the board. We are so extremely pathetic it makes me sick. I long for the days of 42-39 shootouts over these 10-3 losses.

ThaVirus · 05-04-2012, 01:42 PM

Interestingly, I enjoy playing defense far more during pick-up games.

**Ming the Merciless** · 05-04-2012, 01:52 PM

Balance/Defense....

Even if it means low scoring.

3 yards and a cloud of dust.......Bad ass mother****ers in the trenches...Hits.

Being able to actually come up with a defense that works, even without a team full of pro bowlers.

JohnnyV13 · 05-04-2012, 02:03 PM

Sitting on the couch, watching on TV, I like offense. Much more fun to see the acrobatics.

BUT, if I'm at Arrowhead, WOW...nothing gets a crowd wound up like the firestorm that supports a dominant defense. FIrst of all, you get to be part of the action by intimidating the other side with noise. Second, the crowd noise is simply louder behind the defense, because an offense gets thrown off if you try to scream.

During the 90's, with DT and Neil Smith backed by a string of great corners, offenses just withered in Arrowhead. I still remember the Bills game in '97 when the crowd noise just demolished the Bills offense on the goal line. Hell, it was so loud for 4 consecutive downs I couldn't think strait--and I was in the stands. What it must have been like on the field is simply insane.

WhiteWhale · 05-04-2012, 03:11 PM

I came up as a fan in the 90's and watching Derrick Thomas change and dominate games made me a defensive fan.

Big hits, turnovers, and my favorite game-changing play... the sack and strip. I love that.

I think if a team wants to be a contender they need both though... I simply enjoy watching a good defense more than a good offense.

I loved the Giants/49ers game last year.

05-04-2012, 12:08 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4303447	Late night bullshit: are you a defense or an offense fan? (Also, Poe.) Let's make this a poll. I personally have always been more partial to defense. I think a great defense is like art in motion. An offense can be powered by a great quarterback or an elite player here or there, but a great defense requires an orchestration from all parts that an offense doesn't always require. Sure it helps if the left guard cut-blocks the defensive end on the far side of the field so that Jamaal Charles can have an additional tenth-of-a-second darting towards the opposite side of the field, but a great defense requires 11 moving pieces. In that sense, I enjoyed the 90s Chiefs more than the 2000s Chiefs, the lopsided-defense teams over the lopsided-offense teams. I've loved the development of this defense under Pioli and Crennel. We have the best and deepest defensive line this team has had since the days of Dan Saleamua (sp?). Our passrush rivals Allen/Hali from the Herm Edwards days. And our secondary is one of the very best the NFL has to offer. It's been a bit anticlimactic for me, however. When I watch the big-ass defensive line required by a 3-4 defense, what position holds more fascination than the nose tackle? You're talking about a humongous brute, whose sheer size is so great he lines up directly over the center with the intention of simply pushing the guy back by being big. He exists on a very small (but crucial) part of the field, and is bigger than everybody else, stronger than everybody else, and on the best defenses, more ferocious than everybody else. We're talking about a guy so big that he creates injuries by simply falling on people. It's like an invulnerable superhuman, and it just fascinates me to watch it. So little movement all over the field compared to everybody else. Yet the things happening between the hashes, going up against the heart of an offensive line built to punish defenders, totally outnumbered and outgunned, are among the most important on the field. We finally got one. And he is not small, and he is immensely gifted. 6'4", 350 lbs. He's among the strongest the league has to offer. Among the fastest the league has to offer. I wasn't thrilled about the pick, but in a way I'm glad we got him. We finally have a player who does things like this: And you absolutely have to love the primal scream about :33 in when he's getting close to 44 reps... You see the guys on the sidelines lighting up. It's magnetic. It's something no other position can really do for your defense. It colors the entire defense. No particular point to this thread. Just a meditation on defense, the nose tackle, and Poe. It's too easy to hate on this guy, folks. Let's get the positive mojo going.
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05-04-2012, 01:14 PM	#92
Hydrae Sandbox: Leander Lasercats Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Austin, Tx Casino cash: $2237000	I moved to Missouri in 1990 and started watching the Chiefs. Before that I was in the northwest and kind of followed the Seahawks of Largent and Curt Warner but never got into them much. Those early 90s teams caught my attention and caused me to be a lifelong Chiefs fan even though I left the area 3 short years later. For this reason, it is defense that gets my juices flowing. Stop the run and have an unstoppable running game is my favorite. It saddens me that it seems to have a limited place in todays NFL.
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05-04-2012, 01:17 PM	#93
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05-04-2012, 01:22 PM	#94
Renegade Just Lurking Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ozark Mountain Country Casino cash: $1677904	I tend to focus on both the offensive and defensive lines. I love the battle upfront, the grunt work if you will.
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05-04-2012, 01:31 PM	#95
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1568179	I love both sides of the ball, but if I was building a team I'd want a dominate defense combined with a dominate running game. I want to control the game. Examples of this were the 2010 Chiefs, and the 2012 49ers
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05-04-2012, 01:41 PM	#97
ThaVirus 20 Menthol KOOLs Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $1992369	I'd have to go offense. Although a great defense gets my jimmy in a semi, there's nothing like the emotion I feel when we score a TD. I was alive during the 90's defense days, but really got into football during Vermeil's time so maybe that has something to do with it. I can just say, with that 02-05 offense, we had a shot in EVERY game no matter what. If we started off slow and got down two TDs, didn't matter. Ended up negative in the turnover ratio, didn't matter. No deficit was insurmountable. Our offenses lately have been putrid and I ****ing hate it. I feel like, with our defense playing to it's potential, we have a shot in every game- but only to keep it close. I don't ever expect to win games because I have abosultely zero faith in our offenses ability to put points on the board. We are so extremely pathetic it makes me sick. I long for the days of 42-39 shootouts over these 10-3 losses.
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05-04-2012, 01:42 PM	#98
ThaVirus 20 Menthol KOOLs Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $1992369	Interestingly, I enjoy playing defense far more during pick-up games.
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05-04-2012, 01:52 PM	#99
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05-04-2012, 02:03 PM	#100
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $6145200	Sitting on the couch, watching on TV, I like offense. Much more fun to see the acrobatics. BUT, if I'm at Arrowhead, WOW...nothing gets a crowd wound up like the firestorm that supports a dominant defense. FIrst of all, you get to be part of the action by intimidating the other side with noise. Second, the crowd noise is simply louder behind the defense, because an offense gets thrown off if you try to scream. During the 90's, with DT and Neil Smith backed by a string of great corners, offenses just withered in Arrowhead. I still remember the Bills game in '97 when the crowd noise just demolished the Bills offense on the goal line. Hell, it was so loud for 4 consecutive downs I couldn't think strait--and I was in the stands. What it must have been like on the field is simply insane.
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05-04-2012, 03:11 PM	#101
WhiteWhale Bring it on Ahab! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Doo-Dah Casino cash: $10015152	I came up as a fan in the 90's and watching Derrick Thomas change and dominate games made me a defensive fan. Big hits, turnovers, and my favorite game-changing play... the sack and strip. I love that. I think if a team wants to be a contender they need both though... I simply enjoy watching a good defense more than a good offense. I loved the Giants/49ers game last year.
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