Chiefs Two OL notes. - Page 6

Direckshun · 03-24-2015, 10:09 AM

Andy Reid said at the owners meetings that Donald Stephenson is the starting RT "for now" -- which is pretty interesting to me. I figured Jeff Allen would be your penciled in RT, due to the fact that he's basically been bumped by Ben Grubbs at LG.

The coaching staff also loves Jeff Allen, and I thought Stephenson landed in the doghouse for one reason or another. I really hope Donald returns to his 2013 form, because he's coming back from an absolutely terrible year.

Second piece of "news" (not really news to those who follow Arrowhead Pride or Terez Paylor) is that the Chiefs have been hunting for a veteran center, probably one to come in and start. The Chiefs are trying to hunt down Stefen Wisniewski right now -- an absolutely great get, if they can land it (several teams are hunting Wisniewski right now). Wisniewski is a very good center that they'd get for about 1/3 of what Hudson got -- talk about working the Fade over HARD.

Earlier this offseason, Paylor said the Chiefs talked to Tim Barnes, too.

Still hard to figure out what the Week 1 starting OL looks like.

If we had to guess now, I guess you'd have to say:

LT: Fisher, Allen
LG: Grubbs, Allen, LDT
C: vet TBA, Kush
RG: Fulton, Fanaika
RT: Stephenson, Allen

RunKC · 03-26-2015, 08:09 AM

Allen and Stephenson started on an OL that did well in the 2nd half of 2013.
Surely one of these assholes is at least decent this year

Frosty · 03-26-2015, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

For crying out loud.

We DON'T have the amount of suck we had last year.

It seems like the Alex ballwashers think there are only two options for the o-line - pile of suck or five first rounders.

**RealSNR** · 03-26-2015, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Allen and Stephenson started on an OL that did well in the 2nd half of 2013.
Surely one of these assholes is at least decent this year

Yep. That's what Dane, DJ's Left Nut, and I have been saying throughout this offseason.

People are obsessed with "fixing" the OL this year. It's not just good enough for them to see a decent improvement.

Guess what? You can't ever count on "fixing" the OL through the draft. OL may be one of the easiest positions to find talent in any draft, but it still takes time to develop. Very few offensive line guys drafted each year are instantly good, solid cornerstones. It takes time to develop that.

Who ****ing cares that it's unknowable how well Fanaika and Fulton will do? They've got NFL experience, and in the interest of seeing the OL "fixed", that experience goes waaaay farther than anything we could get out of some rookie we draft, and I don't care which round it happens in. More than likely, the rookie will go into next year as one of those "unknowns" that people claim we have to draft talent for as insurance that the player won't be terrible.

How about we just take a step back, make a final evaluation on all the OL guys we HAVE drafted recently, and ****ing wait? We already plugged our biggest hole with Grubbs and now have competition to push Fulton at RG.

Jesus ****, people. We're going to be fine. I'm not going to get pissed off if we take offensive line this draft since we have so many picks, but this is far from a team need at this point.

**RealSNR** · 03-26-2015, 08:26 AM

The Grubbs over McGlynn improvement ALONE will elevate this line 5-10 spots in the rankings for total sacks given up. We can likely expect improved play from LT and RG as well. And there is a lot of competition for RT both on the team and what we could draft this year. We can expect a better player at RT as well.

Four positions improved with one (C) likely being a downgrade, but one of those improved positions was booting out the worst player in the league and replacing him with a sturdy, experienced, and pretty damn good vet player.

How can you people still be up in arms about the OL? For ****'s sake.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-26-2015, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

For crying out loud.

We DON'T have the amount of suck we had last year.

McGlynn is gone. Harris is gone. And the Chiefs are obviously confident in Fisher and Fulton on making improvements.

And to round all that out, we've got Allen, Stephenson, Fanaika, and LDT. Four players as insurance for four positions. And all of them are extremely versatile-- some of them, like Allen, can even stretch across the line, going from RT to LG.

The suck is gone. What we have now, provided Kush isn't a barrel of AIDS, is an adequate line. That's exactly what we need. And as it turns out, ONE player (Cam Erving) will fulfill our insurance needs at the two most difficult positions.

We would therefore be set. Done. Wrapped up. We would have a perfect mixture of versatility among all the players combined with experience, youth, and potential.

None of this "Draft 1000 linemen and cut all the unknowns who probably won't be able to hack it!" bullshit.

We have as good of a unit for Alex Smith to play like the Alex Smith of the second half of 2013. Which was aggressive.

I still am convinced that Smith is only aggressive if he doesn't trust his defense. Which sucks, because it would be nice if the Chiefs pathetic history to have a good offense and defense at the same time. Of course the OL can get better, but it is more than good enough for us to have a strong offense. The wild card continues to be which Alex Smith we will see. Nervous that smith's long history hints which one.

O.city · 03-26-2015, 08:35 AM

Improved wr play will go a long ways in improving the ol.

Also, some of the ol problems can be put on the qb too.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-26-2015, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Improved wr play will go a long ways in improving the ol.

Also, some of the ol problems can be put on the qb too.

Gotta spot the hot route. Has to be less afraid to throw to that primary option even if he's covered. Throw the wr open instead of waiting for him to open up. Aggressive Alex Smith was better at doing that. Protect the game Alex Smith does not.

staylor26 · 03-26-2015, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

The Grubbs over McGlynn improvement ALONE will elevate this line 5-10 spots in the rankings for total sacks given up. We can likely expect improved play from LT and RG as well. And there is a lot of competition for RT both on the team and what we could draft this year. We can expect a better player at RT as well.

Four positions improved with one (C) likely being a downgrade, but one of those improved positions was booting out the worst player in the league and replacing him with a sturdy, experienced, and pretty damn good vet player.

How can you people still be up in arms about the OL? For ****'s sake.

I agree we should be better across the board except for C. Fisher will make the biggest jump and and have his best year by far with an offseason to get stronger. Fulton should definitely get better. Grubbs is a huge upgrade. Stephenson/Allen will be better than Harris. It's also possible Kush plays extremely well and there isn't much of a dropoff at C. He will atleast be solid.

**RealSNR** · 03-26-2015, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

It's also possible Kush plays extremely well and there isn't much of a dropoff at C. I hin early think he will at the very least be solid.

Hudson WAS a fantastic C. To do what he did last year with the awful shit around him was outstanding. Not worth $9 million, however.

Even if Kush is only meh, as long as he avoids being a flaming abortion, we're going to be fine. I actually expect him to struggle a bit initially since all we've ever seen from him is preseason play and one regular season game. But he'll figure stuff out. Just getting a few games under one's belt as the starter often goes a long way in smoothing out those rough edges from a first year starter.

DJ's left nut · 03-26-2015, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Hudson WAS a fantastic C. To do what he did last year with the awful shit around him was outstanding. Not worth $9 million, however.

Even if Kush is only meh, as long as he avoids being a flaming abortion, we're going to be fine. I actually expect him to struggle a bit initially since all we've ever seen from him is preseason play and one regular season game. But he'll figure stuff out. Just getting a few games under one's belt as the starter often goes a long way in smoothing out those rough edges from a first year starter.

The interesting thing about Kush is the time spent on the bench.

Physically, he looks the part. His measurables all suggest that he's capable of being an outstanding C. He's athletic, he's strong - he's a nice prospect. But C has so much of a mental component to it.

It's why I don't really think Erving's a good idea. There's absolutely no way he'll be able to step in and be a plus starter at C as a rookie - if Erving's starting, we're likely very very ****ed. There are too many calls, pickups, etc... that need be made there. And with the snap in his mind as well....ugh, it'll be a mess.

Kush, OTOH, knows this offense now. He's been in camp, been in practices. He should be light years ahead of a guy like Erving mentally and physically I just don't see what makes Erving a better C prospect than Kush, especially for this season.

So let's use that #1 on a player that makes us better elsewhere. We're taking a step down at C this year - full stop. Accept that and move on. Taking a step down at C won't by why this team fails.

My preference has moved over to CB at this point. If I hadn't seen so many talented CBs 'lazy' their way right out of the league, I'd love Peters at that spot. But when was the last 'headcase' CB that actually amounted to anything? Those guys need to have pretty good heads on their shoulders. I'm probably leaning towards Kevin Johnson and if not him, probably Collins.

RunKC · 03-26-2015, 08:59 AM

I would like to draft an OT in the mid rounds in the case that Stephenson and Allen are gone next year.

But with Andy it's always a strong bet that some sort of fatty, OL or DL, is in play in the first rd.

O.city · 03-26-2015, 09:05 AM

With situations like Peters, I just defer to this front office. If they think it's worth the risk and can handle him, I'm fine. Conversely if not, pass.

But damn, getting a player of that caliber at 18 seems like something the great teams in the league have done over time

xztop123 · 03-26-2015, 09:45 AM

More worried about find a slot cornerback and fixing the run D

we had the worst nickel corner in the NFL last season and our run D effectively let Oakland beat us knocking us out of the playoffs

**Easy 6** · 03-26-2015, 12:52 PM

DJLN is right, there isn't a single center prospect with much hope of coming in and playing better than Kush out of the gate... he has some seasoning now and is yoked.

Anyone drafted for center needs to be a developmental guy, not a top 5 rounder... its Kush or Wisnewski or bust.

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 03-26-2015, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

. Wisniewski is a very good center that they'd get for about 1/3 of what Hudson got -- talk about working the Fade over HARD.

How is that working anyone over hard? Do you think Wiz is better than Hudson? They can afford to overpay.

03-24-2015, 10:09 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4283447	Two OL notes. Andy Reid said at the owners meetings that Donald Stephenson is the starting RT "for now" -- which is pretty interesting to me. I figured Jeff Allen would be your penciled in RT, due to the fact that he's basically been bumped by Ben Grubbs at LG. The coaching staff also loves Jeff Allen, and I thought Stephenson landed in the doghouse for one reason or another. I really hope Donald returns to his 2013 form, because he's coming back from an absolutely terrible year. Second piece of "news" (not really news to those who follow Arrowhead Pride or Terez Paylor) is that the Chiefs have been hunting for a veteran center, probably one to come in and start. The Chiefs are trying to hunt down Stefen Wisniewski right now -- an absolutely great get, if they can land it (several teams are hunting Wisniewski right now). Wisniewski is a very good center that they'd get for about 1/3 of what Hudson got -- talk about working the Fade over HARD. Earlier this offseason, Paylor said the Chiefs talked to Tim Barnes, too. Still hard to figure out what the Week 1 starting OL looks like. If we had to guess now, I guess you'd have to say: LT: Fisher, Allen LG: Grubbs, Allen, LDT C: vet TBA, Kush RG: Fulton, Fanaika RT: Stephenson, Allen
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03-26-2015, 08:09 AM	#76
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2139611	Allen and Stephenson started on an OL that did well in the 2nd half of 2013. Surely one of these assholes is at least decent this year __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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03-26-2015, 08:35 AM	#81
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2634064	Improved wr play will go a long ways in improving the ol. Also, some of the ol problems can be put on the qb too.
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03-26-2015, 08:59 AM	#86
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2139611	I would like to draft an OT in the mid rounds in the case that Stephenson and Allen are gone next year. But with Andy it's always a strong bet that some sort of fatty, OL or DL, is in play in the first rd. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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03-26-2015, 09:05 AM	#87
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2634064	With situations like Peters, I just defer to this front office. If they think it's worth the risk and can handle him, I'm fine. Conversely if not, pass. But damn, getting a player of that caliber at 18 seems like something the great teams in the league have done over time
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03-26-2015, 09:45 AM	#88
xztop123 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2013 Casino cash: $3850609	More worried about find a slot cornerback and fixing the run D we had the worst nickel corner in the NFL last season and our run D effectively let Oakland beat us knocking us out of the playoffs
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03-26-2015, 12:52 PM	#89
Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3617775	DJLN is right, there isn't a single center prospect with much hope of coming in and playing better than Kush out of the gate... he has some seasoning now and is yoked. Anyone drafted for center needs to be a developmental guy, not a top 5 rounder... its Kush or Wisnewski or bust.
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