PFW: Flowers told teammates he would give all the money back if he could just leave

[Woodchuck]

**** Flowers. He quit in that Buffalo game and that was week 2. Our leadership sucks ass. I didn't even have to read that shit to see it. Honestly, DJ is even worse imo.

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

**** Flowers. He quit in that Buffalo game and that was week 2. Our leadership sucks ass. Honestly, I didn't even have to read that shit to see it. Honestly, DJ is even worse imo.

Lol, you serious? Flowers has been a bright spot this year, of all the Chiefs problems, I'm really not sure you should criticize him.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

Lol, you serious? Flowers has been a bright spot this year, of all the Chiefs problems, I'm really not sure you should criticize him.

No matter what I say, you and alot of others are not going to get it. You won't see it and you don't want to.

[QuikSsurfer]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

**** Flowers. He quit in that Buffalo game and that was week 2. Our leadership sucks ass. I didn't even have to read that shit to see it. Honestly, DJ is even worse imo.

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer

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[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

**** Flowers. He quit in that Buffalo game and that was week 2. Our leadership sucks ass. I didn't even have to read that shit to see it. Honestly, DJ is even worse imo.

Flowers is playing through that ankle injury and imo he's still hobbled. He's unable to get off blocks during run plays the way he normally does.

He's got heart, that player. I know he pulled up during the Buf game, but i think he's just trying to do what he can this season.

This team needs a pass rusher. Really badly. You can help those guys up front when you have a Carr/Flowers tandem, but even then, you can't expect to stop the passing game in the new NFL without a pass rush.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

Flowers is playing through that ankle injury and imo he's still hobbled. He's unable to get off blocks during run plays the way he normally does.

He's got heart, that player. I know he pulled up during the Buf game, but i think he's just trying to do what he can this season.

This team needs a pass rusher. Really badly. You can help those guys up front when you have a Carr/Flowers tandem, but even then, you can't expect to stop the passing game in the new NFL without a pass rush.

Pioli invested in inconsistant players. DJ, Flowers, and Bowe are/were inconsistant. All he and Clark talked about was consistancy and Pioli resigned those guys. That's a big part of our problem imo.

Flowers gets hurt and either misses or comes out of games every year. The guy that walked has never missed a game. There have been multiple games where Flowers was specifically targeted at the end. I'm not going to get into too much but he is overrated by Chiefs fans and I'll leave it at that. He's not consistant and he's not a leader.

I doubt it will happen but I hope Pioli gets fired ASAP. Then, the media will turn it's attention to some of the quitters on the field.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

Flowers is playing through that ankle injury and imo he's still hobbled. He's unable to get off blocks during run plays the way he normally does.

He's got heart, that player. I know he pulled up during the Buf game, but i think he's just trying to do what he can this season.

This team needs a pass rusher. Really badly. You can help those guys up front when you have a Carr/Flowers tandem, but even then, you can't expect to stop the passing game in the new NFL without a pass rush.

No we have Hali and Houston. Playing with a lead is what helps the pass rush.Our terrible offense is what hurts this defense. Get a god dam lead and stop turning the ball over 5 times a game and this defense would play good enough to win some games.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

No we have Hali and Houston. Playing with a lead is what helps the pass rush.Our terrible offense is what hurts this defense. Get a god dam lead and stop turning the ball over 5 times a game and this defense would play good enough to win some games.

okay, but that's a blitz when both players are pass rushing. That is 5 players doing what 4 players should be able to do, and even 3 players should be able to pass rush in this defense when you have good players.

But hey, if that's what works then it's better than the BS defense these players have been showing. But you can't win big games rolling the blitz out all day. Not against good QB's you can't.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

But hey, if that's what works then it's better than the BS defense these players have been showing. But you can't win big games rolling the blitz out all day. Not against good QB's you can't.

That's pretty much how you do beat good QB's...

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

okay, but that's a blitz when both players are pass rushing. That is 5 players doing what 4 players should be able to do, and even 3 players should be able to pass rush in this defense when you have good players.

But hey, if that's what works then it's better than the BS defense these players have been showing. But you can't win big games rolling the blitz out all day. Not against good QB's you can't.

This stems from a flaw in 2-gap philosophy. It takes too long with non-elite DEs in your base front (3-4) to diagnose run v. pass and then provide an adequate pass rush.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

okay, but that's a blitz when both players are pass rushing. That is 5 players doing what 4 players should be able to do, and even 3 players should be able to pass rush in this defense when you have good players.

But hey, if that's what works then it's better than the BS defense these players have been showing. But you can't win big games rolling the blitz out all day. Not against good QB's you can't.

I think they are both misused at times. It reminds me of when I would see DT dropping into coverage I hated that. On a passing down you have one of the greatest pass rushers in history(DT) and you drop him in coverage.
We need a qb,center, and a rb to spell Charles that can actually be a threat. For never playing the position Lilja has been ok but that is the weakest link of the oline.
A cb is the only need on defense.
An average defense can win you a ring with a franchise qb.
Not a big fan of Belcher but unless you replace him with a stud it wouldn't make much of a difference.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

I think they are both misused at times. It reminds me of when I would see DT dropping into coverage I hated that. On a passing down you have one of the greatest pass rushers in history(DT) and you drop him in coverage.

That actually is a fantastic concept if you can still get pressure. It can confuse opposing QBs and throw off progressions. While it isn't something you do constantly, it is a successful philosophy, as evident by Pitt, Baltimore, GB,and other fire-zone based teams.