Sac's 2017 Chief's Mock Draft - Page 3

Saccopoo · 11:14 PM

While I've been heartened by the offense's desire to effectively get Conley and Hill involved, the lack of depth on the defense is nothing if not glaring, especially at the LB and CB positions. It appears that the Chiefs should have four compensatory draft picks for losing Sean Smith, Chase Daniel, Tyvon Branch and Don Stephenson. 3, 4, 6, 6 round picks for those players have been forecasted based on salary. They do lose their regular 6th round pick because of the Maclin tampering decision by the NFL.

Unlike previous years, compensatory picks for the 2017 draft can be traded, but until that happens, I'll stick with the picks as they should be in this mock.

As such, here my mock:

1. Christian McCaffery, RB, Stanford: 6'2", 205 lb.

I don't want to hear the "we already have DeAnthony Thomas and Albert Wilson bullshit. Neither are factors in the offense or special teams. Thomas is a pipe dream and they still keep trying to put him on the field. Wilson continues to alligator arm every pass thrown in his direction.

They (Reid/Dorsey) obviously want this type of guy on the field, but as of right now, Tyreek Hill is the only one working out and he's not a true RB. McCaffery is and has operated out of Stanford's pro style offense.

And there can be no argument. He was, without question, the best college football player in 2015. The guy is an impact on the game and can literally bust open a game any time the ball is in his hands. Can just flat out play football versus just being an exciting gadget player. And with Charles future in serious question, the Chiefs do not have the explosion that Charles provided on the offensive side of the ball.

The only other guy I would consider here would be USC's CB Adoree Jackson, for the same reasons - can play multiple positions on the field, is successful doing all of them and does play a position that is needed on the Chiefs - a solid cover corner opposite Peters, but I'm not sure that Jackson fits the Dorsey matrix for that specific position, so, as such, the pick is McCaffery.

2. Lowell Lotulelei, DT; Utah: 6'3", 310 lb.

- The best true NT in this draft. Lotulelei is near impossible to move off his spot and demands a double team. Strong like reerun bull and when his hands are on the ball carrier it's over. As the NFL shifts back to a more run oriented look, a DT/NT that is effective against the run is a necessity and this is where Lotulelei excels. He won't fit the Dorsey matrix such as Chris Jones does, but there is nobody better at taking on and controlling the gap on the defensive front in this draft than Lowell and with Poe's back a forseeable question mark, the position has to be addressed.

3. Chidobe Awuzie, CB; Colorado; 6'0", 190 lb.

- Very good in man coverage and is very effective against the run in addition to being an absolute beast making impact plays behind the line of scrimmage. Go watch the CU-CSU game and the CU Utah gamesfrom this season. Awuzie is a legit NFL level player. When a guy can take over a game from the CB spot, that dude can flat out play football and Awuzie can. Reminds me of current Minnesota Vikings CB Xavier Rhodes. Can be a shut down coverage corner, can play the press extremely well and is just absolutely fierce when he gets to the ball. I think he'd be balls in a Sutton defense.

3. Cooper Kupp, WR; Eastern Washington; 6'2", 210 lb.

- You most likely have never heard of this guy, but he's the best true receiver in the 2017 Draft. Single handedly destroyed Oregon in their 2016 matchup. Thickly muscled, with hands like glue. Never stops working to be the best player on the field. Father and grandfather both played in the NFL. Always extends for the catch, uses his hands away from the body with great control. Very good running after the catch. Great routes. Student of the game. IMO - this is the prototype receiver for Reid's offensive system.

4. Hunter Dimnick, DE; Utah: 6'3", 272 lb.

- One of if not the best pass rusher in college football in 2016. Also one of the strongest players in college football (bench presses 450 lb., and has the Utah school record of 43 reps at 225 lb. Tireless, plays to the whistle and is too much for most OTs. Has been double and tripled teamed all season and still leads the PAC 12 and nation in solo sacks with 14 in 2016. School record holder in sacks, TFL, tfl yardage. You watch Dimnick and you see Tamba Hali at the same stage. Fierce, sttrong, relentless and has an excellent first step. Uses numerous pass rush moves. Dimnick is ready to play in the NFL right now.

4. Kai Nacua, S; BYU; 6'2", 210 lb.

- Perhaps the best ball hawk in the entire 2017 Draft as he is currently tied for the lead in interceptions in the FBS division. School record holder for ints. Plays tough as nails and has superb field awareness. Finalist for the 2016 Jim Thorpe award. Also lettered in Volleyball and basketball. Guy is an athlete. The Cougars best player and is a game changer.

5. Jon "Flounder" Heck, OT; North Carolina: 6'6", 300 lb.

- Legacy! Son of current KC Chiefs OL coach Andy Heck. Reliable and experienced - 42 career starts (and going) at right tackle for the Tarheels. Good in pass protection along with run blocking.

6. Greg Pyke, OG; Georgia, 6'6", 326 lb.

- Former HS lacrosse star that overgrew that sport. Has played at RG and RT and fits the Chiefs profile for the offensive line. Massive, but athletic with quick feet and good power. Had an apendecomy this past summer so has had a slow start to the 2016 season. Has an enormous ceiling.

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watching tape of Pyke absolutely made my day! In fairness, I don't live the most exciting life anymore, but when I see a guard mash his opponents with pure power, good footwork and timing on combination blocks -- that makes me happy. Pyke uses quick, choppy steps to get himself in position and then plays with a strong base to lock defenders out. And he loves to scrap on every snap.

7. Azeem Victor, ILB; Washington: 6'3", 240 lb.

- If not for a broken leg suffered against USC Victor should be an easy 3 rd round selection. (Maybe even 2 nd round). He's a difference maker on the field for the Huskies and has a great feel for the game. Excellent in coverage, plays the run strong, and has good field awareness. He's going to need time to rehab the leg, but this is an easy use of a late round pick. Fits the Dorsey metrics for the position and if he fully rehabs this is a total steal.

Saccopoo · 12-16-2016, 02:19 PM

Okay.

Apparently everyone has lost their ****ing mind so I have to redo this thing.

Redo will emcompass several things:

1. No matter how much I want Vanderbilt's outstanding ILB, he is not going to last to the Chiefs pick. A guy who is capable of defending the run and pass with that length and instincts is not going to be around in the late 20's. Teams running either 34 or 43 defenses are going to be salivating over Cunningham. Dude is a machine. It's not going to come down to the Combine because a 40 time on him is going to be irrelevant. (And he should have a decent 40 time anyway - probably better than the other guys at his position. And he's perfect for this team. He's the guy that Dorsey has been trying to find, but is just that much better. Comes off of blocks extremely well, and slips gaps easily. Excellent in coverage. Shows very good functional strength in taking on guards. Dude is the total package. IMO the two guys that are close to what Cunningham offers is Washington's Azeem Victor and Florida's Alex Anzalone. However, both are coming off of broken bones suffered in the 2016 season. Victor's being a leg, Anazlone's an arem. They will have to check out medically. Victor has impressed me quite a bit over the past several seasons.

Most of the other available ILB's in this draft are bigger, thicker run pluggers that don't really fit into Sutton's defense or what Dorsey has been punching into the Decision Lens for his matrix numbers.

2. Kizer will not be there either. He's most likely the #2 pick in the draft, maybe even #1. At the very least he's top ten.

Saccopoo · 12-16-2016, 03:58 PM

Updated

**RealSNR** · 12-16-2016, 04:18 PM

White RBs!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-16-2016, 05:41 PM

New mock assumes a "Chiefs continue to build around Smith"-nonsense vibe from seasons past.

What started as a good, yet questionable original mock, has now become the Star Wars prequels of mocks.

D+

Saccopoo · 12-16-2016, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagnabit

New mock assumes a "Chiefs continue to build around Smith"-nonsense vibe from seasons past.

What started as a good, yet questionable original mock, has now become the Star Wars prequels of mocks.

D+

Lol!

What you are failing to see is that the QB position in this particular draft is not top heavy nor is it deep. Kelly at Mississippi would have been a viable mid round selection, but he blew his knee and is not viable as a draft pick unless you are using a very late rounder and hope there's a cance of recovery.

Otherwise, I'm not sure who you are really pining for with the Chiefs pick.

They aren't moving up for Deshone Kizer because Dorsey isn't going to pay that exhorbitent price that it would take to do so with Smith most likely going to be the starter through the 2019 or 2020 season and having signed Nick Foles this off season and having Bray.

They aren't going to burn a high draft pick on this crop of QB's.

You are going to have to keep your eyes on the 2018 Draft for that position. Maybe even the 2019 class where guys like BYU's Tanner Mangum, Mississippi State's Nick Fitzgerald, or Stanford's Keller Chryst or USC's Sam Darnold.

However, I wouldn't pin your hopes on the 2017 class of producing a guy who is going to be the Chiefs QBOTF.

Kizer is as close as it gets in terms of fitting the system, but he's going to be long gone and it will cost far too much to go up that far to get him.

So, as that stands, you might as well put in the tools in the system that will allow that guy, when they decide to get that guy, have the tools ready to go to be successful.

They need a real receiver. They need a dynamic force at RB/HB now that it looks like Charles' future is possibly in doubt. They need a couple more offensive linemen. And they most definitely need an additional pass rusher, cornerback and ILB.

I know that it isn't what you want, but the QBOTF isn't happening in the 2017 Draft unless they get extremely lucky ala Tom Brady later in the draft (And there isn't even a late round Brady type of guy in this draft to be honest).

Sorry.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-16-2016, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Lol!

What you are failing to see is that the QB position in this particular draft is not top heavy nor is it deep. Kelly at Mississippi would have been a viable mid round selection, but he blew his knee and is not viable as a draft pick unless you are using a very late rounder and hope there's a cance of recovery.

Otherwise, I'm not sure who you are really pining for with the Chiefs pick.

They aren't moving up for Deshone Kizer because Dorsey isn't going to pay that exhorbitent price that it would take to do so with Smith most likely going to be the starter through the 2019 or 2020 season and having signed Nick Foles this off season and having Bray.

They aren't going to burn a high draft pick on this crop of QB's.

You are going to have to keep your eyes on the 2018 Draft for that position. Maybe even the 2019 class where guys like BYU's Tanner Mangum, Mississippi State's Nick Fitzgerald, or Stanford's Keller Chryst.

However, I wouldn't pin your hopes on the 2017 class of producing a guy who is going to be the Chiefs QBOTF.

Kizer is as close as it gets in terms of fitting the system, but he's going to be long gone and it will cost far too much to go up that far to get him.

So, as that stands, you might as well put in the tools in the system that will allow that guy, when they decide to get that guy, have the tools ready to go to be successful.

They need a real receiver. They need a dynamic force at RB/HB now that it looks like Charles' future is possibly in doubt. They need a couple more offensive linemen. And they most definitely need an additional pass rusher, cornerback and ILB.

I know that it isn't what you want, but the QBOTF isn't happening in the 2017 Draft unless they get extremely lucky ala Tom Brady later in the draft (And there isn't even a late round Brady type of guy in this draft to be honest).

Sorry.

You are correct. Also, there will be no QBOTF. Like, ever.

The Chiefs prefer the "Very Free Agent" of the future, or "VAGENT"

As to what they will actually do, I don't believe that Dorsey is going to draft for need or replacement like he did in the case of Albert. That was just a shitty year to have to draft at all.

gonefishin53 · 12-16-2016, 11:22 PM

Two time all ACC first team ILB Micah Kiser has entered 2017 draft. Showed excellent athleticism with 2 sacks on Heisman winner Lamar Jackson. Is a prototypical 3-4 inside linebacker according to draft analyst Chad Reuter. Currently #88 on CBS board but I think he'll move up before draft day.

Saccopoo · 12-17-2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gonefishin53

Two time all ACC first team ILB Micah Kiser has entered 2017 draft. Showed excellent athleticism with 2 sacks on Heisman winner Lamar Jackson. Is a prototypical 3-4 inside linebacker according to draft analyst Chad Reuter. Currently #88 on CBS board but I think he'll move up before draft day.

Both Kiser and LSU's Kendell Beckwith are viable picks for the Chiefs at the ILB spot with one of their third round picks. They have to come out of the draft with somebody at the position.

I suspect that Dorsey will also extensively comb through the prospective free agent pool as well.

Jon Bostic, Audie Cole, AJ Klein, etc. There's a lot of prospective ILB's in free agency for next season.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/

Saccopoo · 12-17-2016, 10:07 AM

He uses the Decision Lens metric system for free agents as he does foe prospective draft picks.

They will find someone along with the hopeful development of Wilson.

RunKC · 12-17-2016, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Both Kiser and LSU's Kendell Beckwith are viable picks for the Chiefs at the ILB spot with one of their third round picks. They have to come out of the draft with somebody at the position.

I suspect that Dorsey will also extensively comb through the prospective free agent pool as well.

Jon Bostic, Audie Cole, AJ Klein, etc. There's a lot of prospective ILB's in free agency for next season.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/

Jalen Reeves-Maybin Tennessee

**The Franchise** · 12-19-2016, 02:42 PM

I'll pass on the quitter.

gonefishin53 · 12-19-2016, 10:17 PM

Player to watch; Jordan Morgan OG Kutztown St. 6'3" 320 lbs . Div. II All American, Gene Upshaw Div. II lineman of the year, PSAC Conference East Division offensive player of the year. Invited to play in the Senior Bowl 1/28/17. Rated 7th round pick on CBS board.

RippedmyFlesh · 12-20-2016, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

He uses the Decision Lens metric system for free agents as he does foe prospective draft picks.

They will find someone along with the hopeful development of Wilson.

Good article about the salesman from decision lens about dorsey and pioli .

http://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city...ng-edge-022114

88TG88 · 12-20-2016, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Adoree Jackson is a first round pick..I'd love him on the Chiefs but he'd have to be their first pick.

You think so ? A couple former SC guys have called him overrated. Compared him to DAT

I see him 2-3 rd round

Saccopoo · 12-20-2016, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 88TG88

You think so ? A couple former SC guys have called him overrated. Compared him to DAT

I see him 2-3 rd round

He's legit and had a pretty solid year at cornerback in 2016. I'm not sure he fits Dorsey's metrics, but he's a solid CB. Go watch the USC/Washington matchup with Jackson against John Ross (who's also a stud at that multi-position speed guy.) Jackson played extremely well.

If you are concerned about how he will e able to handle NFL sized receivers, I'd suggest watching the USC/Utah game where he is going against Tim Patrick.

But Jackson did have a nice season and he was utilized more at CB versus the gadget guy he was the previous couple of seasons.

He's a lot thicker than DAT and is a true defensive player (although he's been used at PR/KR and has lined up at WR and been successful at all, but he's a CB first and foremost, or at least has been in 2016.

I'd take McCaffery first because of his ability to play at RB successfully as well as WR/PR/KR.

We've already got Hill, so John Ross would be redundant, Jackson can play CB though I'm not sure he can against NFL WR's.

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Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Okay. Apparently everyone has lost their ****ing mind so I have to redo this thing. Redo will emcompass several things: 1. No matter how much I want Vanderbilt's outstanding ILB, he is not going to last to the Chiefs pick. A guy who is capable of defending the run and pass with that length and instincts is not going to be around in the late 20's. Teams running either 34 or 43 defenses are going to be salivating over Cunningham. Dude is a machine. It's not going to come down to the Combine because a 40 time on him is going to be irrelevant. (And he should have a decent 40 time anyway - probably better than the other guys at his position. And he's perfect for this team. He's the guy that Dorsey has been trying to find, but is just that much better. Comes off of blocks extremely well, and slips gaps easily. Excellent in coverage. Shows very good functional strength in taking on guards. Dude is the total package. IMO the two guys that are close to what Cunningham offers is Washington's Azeem Victor and Florida's Alex Anzalone. However, both are coming off of broken bones suffered in the 2016 season. Victor's being a leg, Anazlone's an arem. They will have to check out medically. Victor has impressed me quite a bit over the past several seasons. Most of the other available ILB's in this draft are bigger, thicker run pluggers that don't really fit into Sutton's defense or what Dorsey has been punching into the Decision Lens for his matrix numbers. 2. Kizer will not be there either. He's most likely the #2 pick in the draft, maybe even #1. At the very least he's top ten.
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gonefishin53 Starter Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $10011999	Two time all ACC first team ILB Micah Kiser has entered 2017 draft. Showed excellent athleticism with 2 sacks on Heisman winner Lamar Jackson. Is a prototypical 3-4 inside linebacker according to draft analyst Chad Reuter. Currently #88 on CBS board but I think he'll move up before draft day.
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gonefishin53 Starter Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $10011999	Player to watch; Jordan Morgan OG Kutztown St. 6'3" 320 lbs . Div. II All American, Gene Upshaw Div. II lineman of the year, PSAC Conference East Division offensive player of the year. Invited to play in the Senior Bowl 1/28/17. Rated 7th round pick on CBS board.
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