Chiefs "not expected" to tag Poe

[Quesadilla Joe]

Chiefs have officially indicated to DL Dontari Poe he will not be tagged. He's hitting the open market

— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) March 1, 2017

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You need to come to terms with the fact that Alex Smith is on borrowed time.

He won't be restructured and he won't be here in 2019. At most, he has 2 more years and even that seems like less than a 50/50 proposition.

Shout into the wind all you want, but extensions for Berry and LDT are the writing on the wall. This team's already using Smith's 2019 salary and very likely his 2018 as well.

The fog is lifting.

So you think Dorsey will draft a QB and start him day 1 if he doesn't get a guy until 2018? With all the talent on this roster...gamble on a rookie?

I'll trust Mayock's opinion on the situation:
"I am bullish on Alex Smith because I read you guys a list of quarterbacks early on, and, you know, there's only eight or ten franchise guys in the league,” Mayock said. “If Alex Smith isn't one of them, he's just kind of a notch below, and that's better than most of the other teams around the league. I could name you half the league that needs a quality starting quarterback. So I believe the Chiefs are ahead of most of the teams. I think you've got to be careful for what you wish for because it may come true.”

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

His best fit now is in a 4-3. He can at least hope not to be double teamed all the time next to another massive DT. I think someone is going to sign him to a large contract and he won't play up to it.

A team could look at Gerald McCoy as a blueprint. McCoy's started to decline a bit over the last year or so but the 4-3 has kept him pretty productive as it's kept him from being a constant double.

I agree with you there; Poe, if he's going to be a true impact player, is going to have to be in a 4-3. Then again, it's damn near impossible to be a true impact player as a 3-4 NT anyway. That's what made Poe's 2014 season so incredible. The guy was a monster DESPITE a system that didn't set him up to disrupt.

I just don't think we'll see that again. We'd be better served allocating money elsewhere and finding a 'conventional' 3-4 NT that is more of a space filler. I hate it, but the back injury is what it is. The memory of Dontari Poe is more imposing than the production anymore.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

So you think Dorsey will draft a QB and start him day 1 if he doesn't get a guy until 2018? With all the talent on this roster...gamble on a rookie?

I'll trust Mayock's opinion on the situation:
"I am bullish on Alex Smith because I read you guys a list of quarterbacks early on, and, you know, there's only eight or ten franchise guys in the league,” Mayock said. “If Alex Smith isn't one of them, he's just kind of a notch below, and that's better than most of the other teams around the league. I could name you half the league that needs a quality starting quarterback. So I believe the Chiefs are ahead of most of the teams. I think you've got to be careful for what you wish for because it may come true.”

'Less than a 50/50 proposition' is non-zero, son.

'At most, 2 seasons' leaves open the possibility that he's here in 2018.

He will NOT be here in 2019, no. Because if the Chiefs can't get a guy they like in the first this year, I do think they'll do something like grab Peterman or Webb in the 3rd; a guy they might try to develop or might be willing to move on from if they like the 2018 draftee better. And if they don't get a high end guy in 2017 or 2018, they'll run with the mid-round pick in 2019.

Smith's gone in 2 years and very possibly in 1.

[O.city]

The 34 43 stuff isn't a big deal anymore, teams are in sub stuff 70 percent of the time.

I'd rather pay Brandon williams than poe

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

That's what I was saying, it's likely he will be the starter in 2018 given our situation personnel and money wise. We would have to draft the next Wilson/Prescott this year to consider giving him the boot any earlier

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

That's what I was saying, it's likely he will be the starter in 2018 given our situation personnel and money wise. We would have to draft the next Wilson/Prescott this year to consider giving him the boot any earlier

No, we could draft the next Wilson/Prescott next year and still give him the boot in '18.

You don't restructure a guy unless you intend to keep him for at least 2 more years and by doing so, you've effectively taken the ability to get rid of him after 1 off the table.

It would be asinine to do so. Whether or not he's 'likely' to be the starter in 2018 is a matter of conjecture but if you restructure him, he's 'definitely' the starter in 2018 and that's not a decision I'd be willing to make and I'm betting that Reid and Dorsey are in the same boat.

They're not going to restructure Alex Smith unless it's so team friendly that the cap rollover it would create would effectively pay off the dead money they'd increase the following year. That seems extremely unlikely. They're not going to do anything to diminish their ability to walk away from Smith in '18. They're not as myopic as you are.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You need to come to terms with the fact that Alex Smith is on borrowed time.

He won't be restructured and he won't be here in 2019. At most, he has 2 more years and even that seems like less than a 50/50 proposition.

Shout into the wind all you want, but extensions for Berry and LDT are the writing on the wall. This team's already using Smith's 2019 salary and very likely his 2018 as well.

The fog is lifting.

2 years.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

That's what I was saying, it's likely he will be the starter in 2018 given our situation personnel and money wise. We would have to draft the next Wilson/Prescott this year to consider giving him the boot any earlier

So when Alex Smith goes to the Browns are you going to be posting over on their forums instead of here?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No, we could draft the next Wilson/Prescott next year and still give him the boot in '18.

You don't restructure a guy unless you intend to keep him for at least 2 more years and by doing so, you've effectively taken the ability to get rid of him after 1 off the table.

It would be asinine to do so. Whether or not he's 'likely' to be the starter in 2018 is a matter of conjecture but if you restructure him, he's 'definitely' the starter in 2018 and that's not a decision I'd be willing to make and I'm betting that Reid and Dorsey are in the same boat.

They're not going to restructure Alex Smith unless it's so team friendly that the cap rollover it would create would effectively pay off the dead money they'd increase the following year. That seems extremely unlikely. They're not going to do anything to diminish their ability to walk away from Smith in '18. They're not as myopic as you are.

I just don't see Reid going into a season without a secure backup plan. He held onto Donovan well knowing he would eventually roll with Vick. Cap wise, paying for Smith and QBOTF in 2018 is still cheaper than what 1/3 of teams are paying for QBs who have done less in the wins column.
Plus Smith is a good QB coach, Harbaugh praised his ability to mentor Kaepernick. The extra year of keeping him would pay dividends to the next guy.

[Eleazar]

I hope they try to re-sign him, but realistically, Poe is going to be overpaid on the open market. I'm glad we aren't going to go on tilt and throw a big contract at a big risk.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Plus Smith is a good QB coach, Harbaugh praised his ability to mentor Kaepernick. The extra year of keeping him would pay dividends to the next guy.

Yeah, Dorsey's gonna pay $20+ million in cap for QB coach.

You're reaching. Poorly.

[notorious]

I like Poe more than most on here, but I will trust the Chiefs to do the right thing.

[Mr. Laz]

Poe just never took the next step.

Maybe it didn't help that we played him so many snaps but the reality is that he didn't dominate the game in a way that should earn huge money.

[RunKC]

I hope you're right DJ. I fully expect all the top QB's to be gone, including Mahommes. I hope Dorsey thinks enough of one of the 2nd tier guys bc that's likely all we're gonna be able to get.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I hope you're right DJ. I fully expect all the top QB's to be gone, including Mahommes. I hope Dorsey thinks enough of one of the 2nd tier guys bc that's likely all we're gonna be able to get.

**** that. You take your 1st this year and both of our 3rd round picks and trade up for Mahomes. I'm sick of his waiting around shit.