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Tesla unveil Semi, new Roadster, & also teased a "pickup truck"
Anyone watch the unveil last night?
The numbers on the semi destroyed what anyone thought possible. - 0-60 in 5 sec - 0-60 in 20 sec under max gross payload of 80k lbs - 65mph up 5% grade under max lied, compared to 45mph for ICE semi - 500 mile range - 400 miles of additional range after 30 min charge - Guaranteed 7˘/kWh fuel cost(solar) compared to volatile oil - Nuclear explosion proof glass(apparently cracked windshield takes semi off road) - 1 million mile guarantee it won't breakdown - Will never need a brake change - "Impossible" to jacknife - Beats semis on economics day 1 - In convoy mode, beats rail on economics 300 miles of range: $150,000 500 miles of range: $180,000 Founders series: $200,000 https://youtu.be/CBTQnmUolas The Roadster was a complete surprise, and the numbers given destroy any production car you can think of, even a Koenisegg. - 0-60 in 1.9 sec (this is faster than most Formula 1 cars) - 0-100 in 4.2 - 1/4 mile in 8.9 sec - 250+ mph top speed - 621 mile range (That's Kansas City to Denver without fueling) - 10,000 nm torque and that's the base model. Starting at $200k and Founders series at $250k. Destroys million dollar cars. Also teased a rendering image of a consumer pickup truck with a normal truck in the bed. https://youtu.be/5n9xafjynJA Last edited by aturnis; 11-23-2017 at 02:02 AM.. |
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07-20-2018, 10:01 AM | #286 |
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My buddy got a P85D S a few months ago and if I'd never seen or heard of a Tesla and rode in it he could have told me it came from a time machine and I'd have believed him.
The gap between what that thing is, and what I think of when I think of a car, is huge. |
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07-20-2018, 10:04 AM | #287 |
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Also, FWIW the electric car I'm most excited about coming soon is that VW ID Buzz. That thing is cool as hell.
But, if price is similar to Tesla, with the way their supercharger network is built out, and their car will take me from station to station so as to let me drive across the country, it'd be a tough sell. Unless VW builds a similar network here I guess. I'd be fairly doubtful on that happening though... |
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I'm not motivated to research and post but Tesla is burning through cash. It remains to be seen how patient those investors are. Tesla's competition isn't likely to be Ford. It is more likely to be the German makers who are going to start cranking out upscale electric sedans that compete head on with Tesla's products. They started out behind, but they can spend tens of billions on development without having to take out loans and they have gotten very good at cranking out reliable vehicles on relatively low margins. I hope Tesla survives and stays independent, but I got real doubts about that. I could see it getting to the point of having to be either entirely sold or partially sold through a strategic investment by another car company in order to stay afloat. And I could see Musk refusing to see the writing on the wall and driving it into the ground before letting it be sold while it still could be. |
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Kinda sorta off topic, but this article is one of the best analyses of perceptions of Elon Musk I've read so far (aside from the Quora article it links toward the bottom):
https://www.engadget.com/2018/07/20/...-diver-rescue/ |
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It's like VHS vs. Beta. Beta failed because they couldn't scale enough to make it the media standard. Tesla knows their growth is dependent on competitors jumping in. I imagine European competitors will innovate a better core technology, while Tesla continues to innovate on features. More entrants means rapid improvements to core technology, cheaper material prices, and biggest of all... more charging stations. |
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Same shit happened in Ag. GPS got de-militarized or whatever - signal became available commercially. Then we as an industry got all this blue sky bullshit about revolutionizing farming and data and management and VRA of every input, and blah blah blah. Well, Autosteer took hold like wildfire. The money is easy there. OEMs took hold made it easy and the money was flat and the value was real. That changed the look of Ag significantly. Cool. Things are progressing just like they said. That's when shit hit the skids. VRA is easily available on most everything, but determining the factors that drive variation in yield, to determine what function should be VRA and the algorithm in which the rate should be varied is still up in the air, largely. I don't know the percentage of ag operations that utilize VRA, but anecdotally, I'd say maybe 5% of operations utilize VRA in a manner that I would say the science is sound. So on most operations, the management hasn't really changed outside of the 5% that utilize the technology on sound science. This giant life changing technology really only gave us straight rows and changed work that is done in the cab. Quote:
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I'm no lawyer. Let's get that out of the way, but I've been hearing about this nonsense in Ag for a long time too. AUTOMATED TRACTORS BE COMING MOTHER****ER. Right. The oldest tractor I have is a 2004 tractor with all the technology necessary to operate without my ass in the seat. And tractors have changed A LOT in 15 years. So the issue in automated tractors lies, not in the technology, or the market, or whatever else you could think of. It's the law. I get in a tractor with GPS and the first thing that that pops up on the screen is a message that says that the operator is responsible for collision avoidance. This is the key cog legally. If shit gets sideways, and something ****s up, it's on the driver. So take the driver out of the equation. Shit goes sideways, something ****s up, who's liable? It isn't the operator. Any decent lawyer points that squarely on the OEM. And Mother Deere doesn't play that way. Well same thing goes for driverless cars. Someone's kid gets run over and there is going to be a lawsuit. Sure, there can be collision avoidance measures like airplanes have and some of the cars now are trying to get on the road, but that doesn't account for everything. There will be accidents because they can't be completely avoided. Without some guidance from the legal system that will pull overarching liability off the OEM's, it doesn't appear to be in the cards. |
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I don't intend to be the anti-electric guy, but there is far too much blue sky being sold here.
I REALLY want electric cars. If copper weren't so expensive, I'd have every well I have on electric too. I'd have to see how it worked in Ag, because diesel (and unfortunately now, DEF) is still portable. Electricity is going to be harder to get across the countryside to fields. Nobody wants this to happen more than I do, but it is intergalacticly stupid to think that it will just happen because the technology is there. Many many good ideas with good intentions have been derailed by bullshit. Tesla isn't exempt because it is a good story. |
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As an example of how silly media scrutiny of Tesla has been, here's an article from 2010 about the 300k EVs per year Volkswagen was planning to sell in 2018. They may have come up a LITTLE short of that.
https://www.treehugger.com/cars/volk...r-by-2018.html (Spoiler alert: they're barely selling any at all.) |
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I expect to see dozens of news reports about it if they don't hit that mark. That's how this works, right?
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