So Just What Do We All Want Stadium-Wise?

[GabyKeepsMeWarm]

This is a Chiefs board, so I know and expect to see some obvious bias toward the Chiefs over the Royals in this forum. This is weighted even moreso towards the Chiefs favor due to their incredible run over the past six years.

I know we all love the Chiefs, but there are a lot of Royals fans too. KC has historically been a very, very good sports town, and great host for the Chiefs and Royals. Weird that the teams never seem to be good at the same time, though maybe that will change if BWJr and the boys in blue can get something going during what is now the Mahomes Era.

But I digress... sorry, I get long-winded sometimes. What do we all want stadium-wise going forward? Enough of this sky is falling horseshit where both teams are getting their ducks in a row to get the hell out of KC. I don't buy that for a second. Maybe you don't agree, that's fine. But I really want to know what the people of this board would like to see happen, because there will be another vote within the next year or two with future proposals. So what do we want these proposals to ideally be?

[Smed1065]

and more tailgating.I have been to many stadiums and imagine I am biased but when you pull up smell and see all that smoke. Then the folks always friendly. Great atmosphere and seating so just build a new Arrowhead.

[Couch-Potato]

A dome.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by wazu

Serious question: What do you want in these plans? Because to me Arrowhead is pretty much perfect as-is.

I would love for the Royals to move wherever, downtown, or by the speedway, etc. and then I want the K taken down, and a brand new version of Arrowhead built where it stood.

I would like to use the original plans for Arrowhead, and make all the desired upgrades, with a retractable roof.

I wonder if with foldable panels, they could use the retractable roof as advertising, like the sphere, but on a much smaller scale.

I think Arrowhead is iconic, so nice we built it twice, and we need a retractable roof at a minimum.

[Dante84]

It won’t happen, but I wish they would just tear down everything in the West bottoms area, and drop the new Arrowhead in there, and have the Royals go to the East Village site.

[GabyKeepsMeWarm]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I love Arrowhead and the gameday experience. And I'm not a Jackson County taxpayer.

But I'm also realistic and Arrowhead is on borrowed time. That being the case, there's no sense in limping along here. The stadium was built in such a way that it just cannot continue to keep pace with other franchises through renovation. And if we are going to be (and should be) a crown jewel franchise for the next 10-15 years (and hell, we weren't dogfood before Mahomes), that's not tenable.

So I think I'm ready for a new stadium. And if that stadium is going to be done well, it's not going to be in Jackson County. So if that means a move to Wyandotte, I'll set my anti-Kansas bias aside because it's probably best for the Chiefs long-term.

So include me in the 'new stadium near the Legends' crowd. Or wherever it will need to go to get the kind of revenue that would make building a true state of the art stadium worthwhile for Hunt and the residents of wherever it's gonna go...

I expect that means a dome for a future SB or other events. And I hate that. So my compromise would be one where there are rules in place for when the roof can be used. I can't recall which stadium did that, but there's a baseball stadium somewhere that has it written into the lease that the roof cannot be closed on days where the weather is between X and Y degrees and there's no rain.

Would I miss the snow games? Yeah. Would I miss rain and frigid cold? No, not really. And again, that's going to mean a hell of a lot more revenue and thus more willingness by Hunt to pull out some of the stops and make this a stadium worthy of replacing an icon.

What I don't want to see is what the Cardinals did in STL. They tore down Busch II and replaced it with a generic retro ballpark that just isn't special in any way because they did it on the cheap. Man I'd hate to see that (and I worry that's what's in store for Kaufman, which is just an incredible place to catch a baseball game to this day. They're going to replace it with something that isn't as good)

This is exactly the kind of well-thought out, well-written post that I’m going for, and most of my thoughts on this align with DJ. Though I’d like to know DJ’s ideas for what he wants out of a baseball stadium.

When TSC was built, it was unique and without equal. It was a big idea that has paid off quite well.

And I think it’s time for the next big thing to be done. Something that we won’t have to revisit again for at least the next 40 years.

Don’t really care where it is, as long as it’s within the KC Metro area, but I think it’s time for a new Arrowhead with a retractable roof, something that could perhaps encourage a Super Bowl or NCAA Men’s Basketball Finals, or any other massive event that could bring out of town dollars to KC anytime of the year.

But I don’t wanna see it trend in the current direction of losing 15,000 seats. The new retractable roof stadium should incorporate everything about our past with a clear vision of the future and include 70,000 seats. Something unique but not stupid or anything that will be an eyesore after the latest trend wears out. Encourage more tailgating at the stadium by giving groups their own lanes, and perhaps even a section for those who don’t even intend on going in for the game. I know certain Chiefs fans and tailgating is their religion. Plus it’s just known nationally about KC Chiefs games and tailgating. Encourage it and perhaps create a better version of it.

Should go without saying, but if you’re going forward with a brand new retractable Arrowhead, you’re gonna go big on all the required facilities to make it THE cutting edge and most enjoyable, comfortable, welcoming place for the players, fans and media. Eight games are guaranteed every year, and every game should be unforgettable. I think a brand new Arrowhead could exist at the current location. Anytime I’ve ever driven past TSC on 70, I always take a look at that beautiful crown KC Royals scoreboard. In the future, I’d like to see that crown replaced with a massive arrowhead signage or scoreboard piece on the brand new football field, with all the other facilities and accoutrement where the existing Arrowhead stands. Or, in Kansas near the raceway. Hundreds of acres to buy and build whatever.

As for baseball, I’d like to see the Royals get closer to downtown KC, if not downtown proper. Gotta keep the iconic fountains and crown scoreboard in some version. Those two things alone make Kauffman iconic and stand out. I’ve been to a lot of places and whenever I’ve sat down in a bar and a game at Kauffman is on, regardless of how the team is doing, everyone knows the game is in KC and there’s usually a lot of comments about how lovely it is. It’s just one of those great things they got right 50 years ago, and improved upon it with the renovations 15 years ago. No fountains, no crown scoreboard? Go **** yourself. Start over dickwad.

Plop Kauffman down in downtown and I’d be okay with that, but realistically, the facade could be prettier and more interesting. I guess a lot of Crossroads people hate the idea of a ballpark landing in “their” neighborhood, but I personally think it could be great, and it would immediately turn into KC’s version of Wrigleyville. I think the ballpark should remain about the same size, capacity-wise, hopefully not going below 35/36,000.

I personally like the configurations of the current field. Big outfield, decent sized foul territory. If you have good pitching and good defense, this place will favor you, and I like having a home field advantage if we can create a team to align with what could give us an edge. I’m okay with a more neutral ballpark. Just please god, no cracker box home run derby ballpark.

Wouldn’t mind seeing a more wrap-around look on one side of the seating, with perhaps even an old-school overhang. If that makes sense.

One cool thing about the current K is the Little K, and I don’t even have kids, but I know a lot of people love having something like that for the little ones, and I’m not sure what or how to include something like that to a new downtown ballpark where space will likely be quite limited. Tailgating is in the same boat. Sorry gang, that will probably go bye-bye with a downtown park, and hopefully the economic impact of 20 tailgaters for every 81 games doesn’t hurt the bottom line.

Oh, and figure out parking and make it a clear part of any future presentation, because god knows, KC doesn’t know what to do if they don’t have a place to easily park their car. Blows my mind, but whatever, it’s a weird KC thing, kinda like my mother and her little peccadillos. She’s 82, but I get it. If you’ve gotta dig 500 feet below the ballpark to deliver the world’s most ridiculous parking garage, ****ing do it.

I guess that’s enough for now.

Jesus…. This post reads like a psycho.

[digger]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Blackjack and hookers

[Rasputin]

Loudest stadium in the world and home of the CHIEFS

[TEX]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

How come Green Bay is perfectly able to renovate Lambeau and keep it relevant but Arrowhead is on borrowed time and there’s simply no way to keep it viable?

Because narratives. People are dug in with their beliefs. Just as I am with mine with keeping Arrowhead. Nostalgia means something.

[O.city]

Nostalgia and all.....man I hate to see Arrowhead go. It's just been such a big part of all of our lives.

But that's just probably the way things go and its inevitable. That being the case, you've gotta get somewhere closer to actual business than where they are. That area isn't going to ever develop, so don't try.

The west bottoms are an interesting idea, but I would imagine a billion dollars ain't touching it down there.

I've not seen anyone talk about it, but the northland has really seemed to explode my last couple trips up there, so maybe somewhere that way?

The Legends area doesn't do it for me. I know there's shit out there, but it seems like its kinda peaked....maybe I'm off on that.

[crayzkirk]

How about an actual plan instead of give us more money and trust us?

Also, why do the residents of the area that fund the team have to buy a cable or streaming service to watch their local team?

Or perhaps some feeling of gratitude for supporting both of these team through the lean years.

Tickets, parking, concessions all continue to go up in price and yet, they ask for more.

[stevieray]

It doesn't matter what we want.

They are going to do whatever they want, we are just along for the ride.

KC filled that stadium for years when they weren't winning anything near a playoff game.

They want to go, let them. Life marches on.

This is ultimately about money, not nostalgia, nor area.


I've got enough memories to last a lifetime, albeit I'm heading towards my twilight years.

It's just not that important to me at this point.

* They won SBIV, built Arrowhead and then didn't win for years. Be sad to see that repeat itself.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I love Arrowhead and the gameday experience. And I'm not a Jackson County taxpayer.

But I'm also realistic and Arrowhead is on borrowed time. That being the case, there's no sense in limping along here. The stadium was built in such a way that it just cannot continue to keep pace with other franchises through renovation. And if we are going to be (and should be) a crown jewel franchise for the next 10-15 years (and hell, we weren't dogfood before Mahomes), that's not tenable.

So I think I'm ready for a new stadium. And if that stadium is going to be done well, it's not going to be in Jackson County. So if that means a move to Wyandotte, I'll set my anti-Kansas bias aside because it's probably best for the Chiefs long-term.

So include me in the 'new stadium near the Legends' crowd. Or wherever it will need to go to get the kind of revenue that would make building a true state of the art stadium worthwhile for Hunt and the residents of wherever it's gonna go...

I expect that means a dome for a future SB or other events. And I hate that. So my compromise would be one where there are rules in place for when the roof can be used. I can't recall which stadium did that, but there's a baseball stadium somewhere that has it written into the lease that the roof cannot be closed on days where the weather is between X and Y degrees and there's no rain.

Would I miss the snow games? Yeah. Would I miss rain and frigid cold? No, not really. And again, that's going to mean a hell of a lot more revenue and thus more willingness by Hunt to pull out some of the stops and make this a stadium worthy of replacing an icon.

What I don't want to see is what the Cardinals did in STL. They tore down Busch II and replaced it with a generic retro ballpark that just isn't special in any way because they did it on the cheap. Man I'd hate to see that (and I worry that's what's in store for Kaufman, which is just an incredible place to catch a baseball game to this day. They're going to replace it with something that isn't as good)

Couldn't have said it better so won't waste my time trying.

[notorious]

No matter what, a new stadium will bring PSL's, more parking rape, etc.

I don't go to many games so I don't understand the emotional side of what you guys describe. To me I just see gouging, gouging, gouging.

I do well, and run a very good business. I have a problem with getting ass-****ed at every turn.

[TLO]

I want a LJS in both stadiums!!!

[wazu]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

How come Green Bay is perfectly able to renovate Lambeau and keep it relevant but Arrowhead is on borrowed time and there’s simply no way to keep it viable?

Yeah, and how come the Chiefs already asked on the ballot to renovate Arrowhead if it's impossible to renovate Arrowhead?