**** Official FA & Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread ****

[Discuss Thrower]

The #Raiders have turned their attention to #KCChiefs free agent Sean Smith, with Janoris Jenkins off the market. But KC isn't out of it yet

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 9, 2016

Spoiler!

Heard the #49ers have had talks with KC about acquiring De'Anthony Thomas in a trade

— John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) March 7, 2016

#Chiefs free-agency tracker: I’m hearing K.C. has expressed interest in a free-agent WR: https://t.co/OrPgzX3jVs pic.twitter.com/BNXfot07kQ

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) March 7, 2016

As I wrote in Friday's #ScoutingNotebook, I'm told the #Chiefs have no interest in RGIII.

— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) March 7, 2016

Non-Chiefs rumors:

Spoiler!

Report: The Dolphins are interested in trading for Eagles CB Byron Maxwell https://t.co/Z5RZmIYtlg pic.twitter.com/LRt2UneCaA

— NBC Sports (@NBCSports) March 7, 2016

This is a surprise: #Jets QB Ryan Fitzpatrick is expected to hit the free agent market, sources say. Sides are far apart on a potential deal

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 7, 2016

#Eagles have made it known that it's not just DeMarco Murray who is available, but also Ryan Mathews, as well, for the right price.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 7, 2016

[TimBone]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Gaines can play outside or inside, so we might have his replacement already on the roster. Nelson might also be the guy at nickel. I'd expect a FA signing or a draft pick for insurance either way. Whatever happens, we're not trotting out Flemmig again next year.

You may be right, I'm not completely sure how much Gaines has played outside. I've always thought his success was at inside corner.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nelson is not a good football player.

The 'good snaps he had against Houston' are being vastly overstated. Look at the snap counts for that game.

The guy took 5 snaps. Five.

Whatever you thought you saw, you were almost certainly watching someone else. The "really good snaps against one of the best WR's in the NFL last year" that you're thinking of were probably one play and then a handful where you got his number confused with someone else.

Counting on Nelson to be anything other than a special team's player is a fools errand.

Nunez Roches seems to have the same thing going for him around here

[TimBone]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I don't want us to pay him 12 million a year either. I have this feeling the Faders are going to throw monopoly money at Smith. Something crazy like 5 yrs 12 mil per with 20 million signing bonus.

Yeah...if that's the case, I wouldn't be happy with the Chiefs paying that much. Or for five years. The Raiders can have that.

But they've got to find a decent replacement.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

When the Chiefs were ahead 24-17 with 30 seconds left and lost on two fluke plays, 31-24?

Or when the Chiefs beat the Texans 27-20, a game in which the Chiefs had in hand in the entire 4 quarters, despite the offense scoring zero points in the second half?

You guys are seriously overestimating Sean Smith's impact last year. Yes, he's a good player and fits this scheme well but he's not a "big time" playmaker and he's dropped more INT's than he hung onto.

He's going to be overpaid because there's a dearth of free agent corners this year but at age 29, the wheels can fall off at any point.

You're really going to minimize Smith's absence during the Broncos game?

I have to believe you weren't watching it if that's the case. Or if you were, the television's camera angles weren't cluing you into the atrocity taking place.

Manning would literally scan the line, find Fleming and then chuck it to whoever he was supposed to be covering. It was comically blatant. He did that for the entire last possession after realizing in the second to last possession that he could.

We absolutely, 100% lost that game because we didn't have Shaun Smith. And you can say it's because our replacement was Fleming rather than someone else competent, but let's not act like the NFL is just crammed full of credible backup CBs either. Most teams that lose their #1 CB are likely to have a pretty scuzzy #3 step in.

And if you just let Smith walk and replace him internally, it's entirely blind faith. Gaines injury casts his entire future into doubt, especially when we don't really know if his relatively small frame can hold up to 16 games of press corner. Nelson...well Nelson is bad. Beyond that, what are you counting on?

I believe I was the first person to mention Jeremy Lane and I do like the guy, but you're working without a net even if you do bring him in, IMO.

Getting Berry signed and Smith tagged should've been no-doubt moves for this off-season. So far Dorsey's had one 'executed' decision point and it's been a loss, IMO.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Rod Streater ran a 4.37 40 at 6'3" 200 lbs and had a 37.5 vertical.

Sounds like he fits what they like and he had a decent 2 years but only played 4 games the last 2 years due to injury/coaching decision.

More I think of this guy the more it makes sense as a depth player. Those measurables are better than any WR in this draft, and you won't have a learning curve like a rookie WR would.

If he's cheap (should be) I'd like to sign him to battle for #3 WR.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Nunez Roches seems to have the same thing going for him around here

I know what he's doing. He's making shit up.

I recall the play (count 'em - singular) where Nelson had Hopkins in coverage and yes, he was where he was supposed to be.

But that was it - it was the only play. From there folks just extrapolate that Sutton put in some exotic coverage package for the day where Nelson was covering Hopkins and locking him down.

Nope; not the case. You remember a single play in a 16 game season and from that memory you somehow believe this guy is an adequate starting CB. And make no mistake, that's exactly what the NCB in this system is. For as much grief as Mauga gets as an 'inferior starter'; he's on the field less than our NCB would be and I'm absolutely certain he's better at his role than Nelson would be if left out there at NCB all season.

[O.city]

I don't know that they had any big plans on resigning Sean Smith anyway.

We know they made an offer today, but to what extent, we don't know.

My issue with resigning him is as dane said, it could go with him in a year or two (if it's 2 who cares, nfl deals are essentially 2 year deals anyway) and when it goes, it's gonna be bad.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nelson is not a good football player.

The 'good snaps he had against Houston' are being vastly overstated. Look at the snap counts for that game.

The guy took 5 snaps. Five.

Whatever you thought you saw, you were almost certainly watching someone else. The "really good snaps against one of the best WR's in the NFL last year" that you're thinking of were probably one play and then a handful where you got his number confused with someone else.

Counting on Nelson to be anything other than a special team's player is a fools errand.

he definitely knocked a ball down on a pass defense. Against Hopkins too.

So he's immediately in big cat territory around here now...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Rod Streater ran a 4.37 40 at 6'3" 200 lbs and had a 37.5 vertical.

Sounds like he fits what they like and he had a decent 2 years but only played 4 games the last 2 years due to injury/coaching decision.

This will sound really silly because to some extent it is.

But I had Streater on the Sandbox Simulation league that cdcox was running (RIP, Sandbox) and so I watched him a fair amount just to see what I'd acquired.

The guy plays WAY slower than he times. In fact, I was shocked to see he ran that 4.37. He looks like a 4.6-4.7 player. I suspect his cone drill was shit if he was really running a sub 4.4 (and even that I question).

He's not a quick player at all.

EDIT: From what I can see he ran a hand-timed 4.46 (which is probably gonna be a 'true' 4.5ish) and yes, his 3-cone time was poor at 7.06.

That's more in-line with what I'd expect from him. He just doesn't look that quick when you watch him.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I know what he's doing. He's making shit up.

I recall the play (count 'em - singular) where Nelson had Hopkins in coverage and yes, he was where he was supposed to be.

But that was it - it was the only play. From there folks just extrapolate that Sutton put in some exotic coverage package for the day where Nelson was covering Hopkins and locking him down.

Nope; not the case. You remember a single play in a 16 game season and from that memory you somehow believe this guy is an adequate starting CB. And make no mistake, that's exactly what the NCB in this system is. For as much grief as Mauga gets as an 'inferior starter'; he's on the field less than our NCB would be and I'm absolutely certain he's better at his role than Nelson would be if left out there at NCB all season.

Well, in his defense, those are the types of guys you've got to have develop and cover the losses for these guys. Some things have to be filled internally, you can't throw money everywhere.

Some of these young guus are going to have to keep developing like they've done with some of the others.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nelson is not a good football player.

The 'good snaps he had against Houston' are being vastly overstated. Look at the snap counts for that game.

The guy took 5 snaps. Five.

Whatever you thought you saw, you were almost certainly watching someone else. The "really good snaps against one of the best WR's in the NFL last year" that you're thinking of were probably one play and then a handful where you got his number confused with someone else.

Counting on Nelson to be anything other than a special team's player is a fools
errand.

I don't need you to tell me what I "thought" I saw. I rememeber both plays he made clear as day. Hopkins was targeted twice with Nelson covering him. Once in the end zone on a fade route, in which he was in great position after being thrown out in the middle of a playoff game at a crucial moment. The next play was a little later in the game when he jumped the route and deflected a pass.

I am completely aware that this is a ridiculously small sample size, but it was still against one of the best WR's in the league last year in a playoff game when he had pretty much no experience.

Me saying he could possibly be the guy at nickel is not nearly as bad as you declaring him "not a good football player" when we've yet to see much of him. I'm not the one talking in absolutes. I would prefer to sign a guy like Lane that can play inside or out. I'm just saying I think Dorsey drafted Nelson to be our nickel, and I'm not going to dismiss him after seeing him get thrown out their against Hopkins and holding his own.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don't need you to tell me what I "thought" I saw. I rememeber both plays he made clear as day. Hopkins was targeted twice with Nelson covering him. Once in the end zone on a fade route, in which he was in great position after being thrown out in the middle of a playoff game at a crucial moment. The next play was a little later in the game when he jumped the route and deflected a pass.

I am completely aware that this is a ridiculously small sample size, but it was still against one of the best WR's in the league last year in a playoff game when he had pretty much no experience.

Me saying he could possibly be the guy at nickel is not nearly as bad as you declaring him "not a good football player" when we've yet to see much of him.

Why do you suppose we didn't see much of him, sport?

Must've been that we were trying to keep him under wraps to unleash him on an unsuspecting league, right?

Nelson's not a good football player.

[Easy 6]

Sean Smith may not be All Pro, but losing him is going to suck ass

When paired with a solid, if not spectacular, player... his size becomes its own skill, he automatically kills mismatches that opponents are looking for

[O.city]

His size just allows him to swallow guys outside and not have to be as fast as them.

He's a perfect fit in this scheme. Sucks we are likely to lose him.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Sean Smith may not be All Pro, but losing him is going to suck ass

When paired with a solid, if not spectacular, player... his size becomes its own skill, he automatically kills mismatches that opponents are looking for

And his steadiness opposite of Peters allowed Sutton and Peters to be much more aggressive, IMO. That's why Trumaine was a much better fit for us than Jenkins would be and why I was so disappointed to see Johnson get the tag instead.

At this point I think the Chiefs have to let Smith go - they can't afford to give the guy a deal that pays a 29 yr old corner with fringe athleticism big money for the next 3 years, nor do they have the immediate liquidity to front-load a deal enough to make it more attractive than what he can get on the market.

But I'd have loved to see him back for 1 via the franchise tag.