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Old 03-07-2016, 11:09 AM  
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Old 03-07-2016, 01:55 PM   #61
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Old 03-07-2016, 01:56 PM   #62
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Well with the #1 overall pick and waiver spot, I'd hope he'd be able to get a few solid players, especially given the fact that he was in the same spot as the Raiders find themselves this year; sitting on loads of cap space.

That said, your point is a solid one - when that's your WORST offseason, you're pretty damn good at this.

Successful offseasons are oftentimes determined as much by what you don't do as what you actually do. Had Dorsey gone out and burned up cap space in 2014 either retaining or replacing schlubs like McCluster, Schwartz and Asomoah, we'd have never been able to get Maclin in the fold and getting Houston re-signed would've been substantially more difficult. Hell, retaining Hali may have been prohibitive and given the solid season we got from him (a finishing kick, IMO), that ended up being enormous.

Sometimes the only way to win is not to play. The market's going to be flooeded by poorly run teams desperately trying to spend to the floor. That's not a marketplace a smart GM wants to operate if he can avoid it.

That said - I do believe Dorsey failed in not getting Berry inked prior to the franchise deadline. That's going to, at worst, cost us a fair amount of money (and more likely simply cost us a player in either Howard or Smith).

That said, it's done - move on. Don't go out there trying to 'win the offseason' by torching available cap space in panic moves. That's how he handled the 2014 offseason and it turned out to be the perfect approach.
Agree. Everyone wants to have an offseason like last year in FA but it's not responsible. I'm perfectly fine with Dorsey having those offseasons every other year to have build comp picks and organize cap space.

Dorsey said from day 1 he's building through the draft, so next year we need to see guys like Conley, Nelson, Ford, Wilson, March etc step up so we don't need FA's.
The biggest problem I had with 2014 was Dorsey didn't draft someone to help that year. Ford was an obvious project who barely played.
I'm fine with smaller deals in FA as long as we draft like last year.
I want guys like Marcus Peters and Mitch Morse's to come in and help immediately.

Big reason we were successful last year was bc of young guys like Fulton, Morse, Fisher, Kelce, LDT and Howard being developed and on the cheap at that. Gotta continue that player development.
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Old 03-07-2016, 02:00 PM   #63
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I want guys like Marcus Peters and Mitch Morse's to come in and help immediately.
That's what every NFL team wants to happen but it's very rare.
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There were reports that the Dolphins were thinking about going after Brandon Marshall, guess they found another option in Alonso.
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They do - but they had to use the tag on a guy who should've been among the easier signs out there.

And again, this is why I'd have put him on the NFI when he had his cancer diagnosis two years ago. And yes, I'd have absolutely cut his pay. For all the bullshit about the 'good will' it brought us, it doesn't seem to have done dick with this contract.

But if we'd have been able to roll over the $5 million we'd have saved as a cap charge and offered that to Berry now, he'd have probably taken it. But because we simply gifted him money he wasn't owed, he pocketed it and gave us the bird come contract time.



I don't mean the fact that they didn't sign him last year; that was understandable. As you've noted, a LTC with a guy coming off cancer would've been tricky and perhaps irresponsible. I mean the fact that with a month-long negotiating window, they couldn't get a deal done that saved the tag for us to use on Smith.

So now they're either going to capitulate and cave in to Berry's demands, or they'll let him play on the tag and find themselves in the same spot next season. Neither of those are good spots to be in.
It doesn't shock me because it's a big deal like Houstons. Maybe even harder because of the cancer issue and may involve more clauses and outs. We'll see.
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easier to get FA help for a win now team than it is landing a Marcus Peters in the draft every year.

If it was that easy then the same franchises wouldnt be drafting in the top 10 every year whiffing on mostly busts.
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What's the alternative though, let hI'm walk?
I've said all along that I believe that replacing Howard and Smith will be much more difficult than replacing Berry but Dorsey obviously chose a different tact.

I'll be surprised is Howard gets Derek Wolfe and/or Malik Jackson money.
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That's what every NFL team wants to happen but it's very rare.
Let me rephrase. I want guys to come in and start NOW. Doesn't mean they are elite, but talented guys who can contribute.

We took Dee Ford and had no plans to get him on the field in 2014. I don't want to do that in the first round anymore.
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Depends.

My guess is they'll cave and give Berry what his guys are demanding. We'll find out when/if the contract is signed, but I'm betting his representation is asking for more than Thomas and when all is said and done, that's what he'll get.

So if you were bluffing and got called, you should've offered him the deal you'll likely end up offering him now anyway, get it done and freed up the tag.

Now if Berry ends up signing an okay deal to stay here long-term (say, 3rd in AAV among safeties?), it means that Dorsey won the standoff....but was it a Pyrrhic victory? Will he give back any money he 'saved' by now having to work in the open market to re-sign or replace Smith?
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There were reports that the Dolphins were thinking about going after Brandon Marshall, guess they found another option in Alonso.
Kiko Alonzo is the NFL version of a whore. I'm surprised Chip didn't try to get him in SF.
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I've said all along that I believe that replacing Howard and Smith will be much more difficult than replacing Berry but Dorsey obviously chose a different tact.

I'll be surprised is Howard gets Derek Wolfe and/or Malik Jackson money.
I think Jackson gets much more than Wolfe and Howard ends up closer to Wolfe than Jackson.

But I think we lose anybody that hits the open market. And at this point, if you're not under contract, why wouldn't you test the market? No sense in blowing your wad now when you've held out this long - go see what the market will support and with the flood of cash out there, you'll be better for it.
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wonder what FA scrap heap CB Dorsey signs to replace Smith. CB is really thin, mostly garbage, if Dorsey turns one of these turds into a gem he will be the best GM.
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wonder what FA scrap heap CB Dorsey signs to replace Smith. CB is really thin, mostly garbage, if Dorsey turns one of these turds into a gem he will be the best GM.
Jeremy Lane.

Gaines is probably Smith's replacement at the end of the day though, and I'm fine with that as long as we get somebody else like Lane for insurance.
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Jeremy Lane.

Gaines is probably Smith's replacement at the end of the day though, and I'm fine with that as long as we get somebody else like Lane for insurance.
If we are bumping Gaines to the outside then I want a slot CB like Boykin
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