Chiefs Chiefs hire Steve Spagnuolo as new defensive coordinator - Page 155

TLO · 01-24-2019, 04:33 PM

The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 24, 2019

Chris Meck · 02-17-2019, 10:27 PM

look.
It's all speculation. I don't know anything more than anyone else.

If you don't think that organizations have plans in place for several years out...well, I don't know what to tell you. There's only so much you can do in one offseason and in one season. I'm sure there was a plan; I don't know for a fact what it was. Whatever it was, it got the team 6 ****ing inches from a SB and a 23 year old MVP QB.

So you can complain about it if you want, but you sound pretty stupid.

Unless you want to mortgage the future, you can't really do a defensive rebuild in one year; it's gonna take a couple of drafts. I don't give a **** who you are or what scheme you want to run; if you're making a scheme change, it's probably going to be ugly for a year at least until you can get enough pieces in place.

Belichick himself switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3; not because his defense was totally shit, just because he felt it was becoming more difficult to get players to fit the 3-4 with half the league running it.

so this extreme idea that they KNEW the defense was going to be historically bad and ignored it doesn't hold water. It was worse than they thought, it didn't go to plan. I'm sure they thought Berry was going to be healthy all year too. Shit happens.

They didn't know Mahomes was going to be THAT GOOD. They didn't think the defense would be THAT BAD. They knew they needed some more bodies on that side, and knew it would take another draft to get there. That's just logic, man.

But you think what you want to. You're not going to change your mind even if there was factual evidence to the contrary. I have an opinion; it's theory and conjecture. You have an opinion, and you're not changing it no matter what. So whatever. Do your thing.

**SAUTO** · 02-17-2019, 10:35 PM

Having a defense that sucked didn't put mahomes in the best position to succeed.

Chris Meck · 02-17-2019, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

Having a defense that sucked didn't put mahomes in the best position to succeed.

Yes, well, as we've already been over....and over....and over...

clearly, things didn't go according to plan.

Sassy Squatch · 02-17-2019, 10:39 PM

They ****ed up the moment they decided to retain Sutton for another year. ****ing despise that useless sack of shit on Pioli levels.

Chris Meck · 02-17-2019, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

They ****ed up the moment they decided to retain Sutton for another year. ****ing despise that useless sack of shit on Pioli levels.

I'm no fan.

I'm not really into the 3-4 at this point in time in the NFL anyway; I think you need LB'ers that can cover and in the 3-4 your LB'ers have to take on too many OL so your ILB'ers at least tend to be bigger and not cover guys. So I like the 4 man line as it allows you to play smaller faster cover-backers, which makes more sense to me with the way the league's going. Also- with teams playing so much nickel, it makes more sense for your base personnel to be closer to that anyway. You're only switching one guy to go to nickel, and the skillsets of your other LB'ers already match.

And I hated how Sutton never made adjustments; and I hated that he insisted on doing dumb shit like having Kpass and Speaks try to cover Rb's in the flat; and Nelson and Scandrick one on one deep with no over the top safety help. And if they safeties just didn't know they were supposed to be there, well, that's the coaching staff's fault too.

so yeah. **** Sutton. **** the 3-4.

**SAUTO** · 02-17-2019, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Yes, well, as we've already been over....and over....and over...

clearly, things didn't go according to plan.

Well when your plan seems half assed i'm not sure what is expected.

Chris Meck · 02-17-2019, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

Well when your plan seems half assed i'm not sure what is expected.

well, do your plans always work out?

This one came within six inches.

That's pretty close.

I mean, shit happens.

With that personnel, I don't think they should've been that bad. There's a lot of #1's, #2's, and #3's on the field. It's not bottom feeder talent.

Clearly, they misjudged somewhere.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 02-17-2019, 11:13 PM

Mahomes had one of the five or so best seasons that a QB has ever had in the NFL during this first season as a starter. No one could foresee that.

Sassy Squatch · 02-17-2019, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Mahomes had one of the five or so best seasons that a QB has ever had in the NFL during this first season as a starter. No one could foresee that.

Also telling of just how atrocious the decision to keep Sutton around was. Mahomes had a season like that and his defense failed him at the end.

Chris Meck · 02-17-2019, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Also telling of just how atrocious the decision to keep Sutton around was. Mahomes had a season like that and his defense failed him at the end.

As it worked out, yes.

**jjchieffan** · 02-17-2019, 11:41 PM

It's hilarious reading the last few pages. Guys getting all worked up and pissed off because the changes that we made this off-season didn't happen a year sooner. Who gives a shit??? It's in the past. You can't change it, so why get upset about it?? The changes got made. We have the best quarterback in the NFL leading the best offense in the NFL. We came oh so close with the way they played it. And now, the future looks great. I just don't understand the mindset of anyone who looks at the bright future ahead and would rather fuss and whine about unchangeable things in the past. It's just plain dumb.

Sassy Squatch · 02-17-2019, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

It's hilarious reading the last few pages. Guys getting all worked up and pissed off because the changes that we made this off-season didn't happen a year sooner. Who gives a shit??? It's in the past. You can't change it, so why get upset about it?? The changes got made. We have the best quarterback in the NFL leading the best offense in the NFL. We came oh so close with the way they played it. And now, the future looks great. I just don't understand the mindset of anyone who looks at the bright future ahead and would rather fuss and whine about unchangeable things in the past. It's just plain dumb.

Sorry if your brain is too small to process more than 1 thing but it is entirely possible to both be excited for the future of this team with Mahomes at the helm AND be irritated at shitty decision making that very well could have cost us a Super Bowl title this year.

**jjchieffan** · 02-18-2019, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Sorry if your brain is too small to process more than 1 thing but it is entirely possible to both be excited for the future of this team with Mahomes at the helm AND be irritated at shitty decision making that very well could have cost us a Super Bowl title this year.

Says the small minded prick who spends hours arguing about the past. I thought that I had you on ignore. I can't imagine why I ever took you off. You were a constant whiner that I got sick of. Nothing has changed. Time to put you back on ignore where you belong and improve my CP experience immensely

Sassy Squatch · 02-18-2019, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Says the small minded prick who spends hours arguing about the past. I thought that I had you on ignore. I can't imagine why I ever took you off. You were a constant whiner that I got sick of. Nothing has changed. Time to put you back on ignore where you belong and improve my CP experience immensely

**SAUTO** · 02-18-2019, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

well, do your plans always work out?

This one came within six inches.

That's pretty close.

I mean, shit happens.

With that personnel, I don't think they should've been that bad. There's a lot of #1's, #2's, and #3's on the field. It's not bottom feeder talent.

Clearly, they misjudged somewhere.

Seems like from what you are saying they must've misjudged everywhere

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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1914910	look. It's all speculation. I don't know anything more than anyone else. If you don't think that organizations have plans in place for several years out...well, I don't know what to tell you. There's only so much you can do in one offseason and in one season. I'm sure there was a plan; I don't know for a fact what it was. Whatever it was, it got the team 6 **ing inches from a SB and a 23 year old MVP QB. So you can complain about it if you want, but you sound pretty stupid. Unless you want to mortgage the future, you can't really do a defensive rebuild in one year; it's gonna take a couple of drafts. I don't give a ** who you are or what scheme you want to run; if you're making a scheme change, it's probably going to be ugly for a year at least until you can get enough pieces in place. Belichick himself switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3; not because his defense was totally shit, just because he felt it was becoming more difficult to get players to fit the 3-4 with half the league running it. so this extreme idea that they KNEW the defense was going to be historically bad and ignored it doesn't hold water. It was worse than they thought, it didn't go to plan. I'm sure they thought Berry was going to be healthy all year too. Shit happens. They didn't know Mahomes was going to be THAT GOOD. They didn't think the defense would be THAT BAD. They knew they needed some more bodies on that side, and knew it would take another draft to get there. That's just logic, man. But you think what you want to. You're not going to change your mind even if there was factual evidence to the contrary. I have an opinion; it's theory and conjecture. You have an opinion, and you're not changing it no matter what. So whatever. Do your thing.
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jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $3382247	It's hilarious reading the last few pages. Guys getting all worked up and pissed off because the changes that we made this off-season didn't happen a year sooner. Who gives a shit??? It's in the past. You can't change it, so why get upset about it?? The changes got made. We have the best quarterback in the NFL leading the best offense in the NFL. We came oh so close with the way they played it. And now, the future looks great. I just don't understand the mindset of anyone who looks at the bright future ahead and would rather fuss and whine about unchangeable things in the past. It's just plain dumb.
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