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Season 4 premiered tonight. I would have bumped the season three thread but I titled it "season 3," which no longer seems appropriate.

Who saw it? It was a stupendous hour of television. All sorts of shit has happened in the eleven months that have passed (in-story) between the formation of Sterling Cooper Draper Price and the beginning of season 4. The premeir was stepped in the juices of the sexual revolution. It also had a lot to say about the increasing role of the media in the success or failure of things. It was great to see Don fail a little bit, and it was exciting to consider the future implications at the end of Don crafting a public/media persona that is completely unlike his actual personality.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:04 PM   #1021
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I cried when Don hugged the man in the encounter group for some reason.

I'm glad Peggy found love just it seemed so sudden for it to be Stan. Don't know whey Ted, who wound up divorced anyways, wasn't the one. Don't see why a feminist character can't find love in their lives. At least Stan, due to his profession, is someone who'd be more understanding about the demands the ad profession puts on people.

Mean's Mom is weird. I hated her for taking all of Don's furniture. I loved Megan as a character but changed my mind about her after accepting a million dollars from Don. How much was he worth? Couldn't been a whole lot more than a million.

Joan, the sexpot woman winds up a feminist staking out her own path. Richard, should know better as an older retired man, to expect a young woman to just give everything up. And if she didn't have a child, he probably wouldn't have wanted her to have one either.

I would have liked to see how Megan ended up as an actress.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:07 PM   #1022
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How much was he worth? Couldn't been a whole lot more than a million.
Don was worth millions due to the various sales of SCDP and its iterations and he has a big deal with McCann, which was obviously still in play.

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Old 05-18-2015, 01:10 PM   #1023
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Don was worth millions due to the various sales of SCDP and its iterations and he has a big deal with McCann, which was obviously still in play.

Well, when SC were first bought out his deal was for $500,000. Now today that may be worth over a million but not then. Then he had to put in a bunch of his dough when they were lean after losing LS. He also paid Campbells portion. That's a chunk. Plus he lived high. The McCann buyout was what? A million and a quarter? Don only got 25% of that at the start but then he left. Megan wouldn't have been his wife when he collected the balance of his McCann buyout. Seems to me Megan got most of his money but he just made a chunk of it back later. I lost respect for her after that. I admired her for not wanting to take him to the cleaners before that.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:19 PM   #1024
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I was waiting for a Mr. Roberts/Col. Henry Blake moment when Pete and his family got on that Learjet.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:28 PM   #1025
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Well, when SC were first bought out his deal was for $500,000. Now today that may be worth over a million but not then. Then he had to put in a bunch of his dough when they were lean after losing LS. He also paid Campbells portion. That's a chunk. Plus he lived high. The McCann buyout was what? A million and a quarter? Don only got 25% of that at the start but then he left. Megan wouldn't have been his wife when he collected the balance of his McCann buyout. Seems to me Megan got most of his money but he just made a chunk of it back later. I lost respect for her after that. I admired her for not wanting to take him to the cleaners before that.
http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/mad-m...ners-make.html

According to that article, Don, Roger and Bert got about $5 million each when they sold to McCann.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:32 PM   #1026
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I was waiting for a Mr. Roberts/Col. Henry Blake moment when Pete and his family got on that Learjet.
Good for Pete.

This whole finale had a BSG finale feel to it.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:41 PM   #1027
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http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/mad-m...ners-make.html

According to that article, Don, Roger and Bert got about $5 million each when they sold to McCann.
I believe they all had to remain under contract for 4 years to get it though right?
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:54 PM   #1028
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According to that article, Don, Roger and Bert got about $5 million each when they sold to McCann.
I'll check that out. But Bert was already dead in the last McCann deal. I forgot about the first one as I thought that British firm sold them. But then they had Lane fire them. So wonder how that all worked out. I suppose I should read the link first.
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Old 05-18-2015, 01:57 PM   #1029
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BTW I think Megan deserved something as her part in that soap was written out and she became unemployed when she decided to stick with Don but he didn't go to Cali with her afterall. Wonder how much she lost in earnings from that?

Other than that, she didn't have kids and she was still young enough to forge a new life after the divorce.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:01 PM   #1030
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I just read your link at Harry's share.
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Alternate finale endings for the characters of Mad Men...

Joan & boyfriend: They end up cocaine addicts after that first taste (Coke ad irony), blow their fortunes on blow within 3 years, and end up homeless dregs with perforated nasal septums, roaming SoCal for their next fix. Joan turns to porn to get cocaine money.

Peggy: Stan never says the magic words and she ends up a powerful creative executive spinster with 15 cats. Stan ends up lonely, never admitting his love for Peggy, turns to booze & masturbation.

Roger & Marie: He suffers a coronary during sex with her and dies. She bounces to the next man, gold-digging her way through life.
(Alternate ending: They get married, she poisons him to death, she gets everything)

Pete & wife: The Learjet goes down in flames.

Betty: Dies, but the corpse is gorgeous, according to her wishes.

Henry: Donates his fortune to cancer research.

Hobart: Company is the target of a hostile takeover by Gordon Gecko, commits suicide by jumping out office window.\

Megan: Failed as an actress, she turns to porn, befriends Joan on a shoot, who's now doing porn for coke money for her & boyfriend.

Glen: Shot in Vietnam by his own fellow soldiers for being creepy.

Cutler: Gets caught with child porn, ends up in prison getting gang-raped.

Crane: Finally gets that class-action sexual harassment lawsuit he's been begging for.

Cosgrove: Finds he has a talent for playing pirates and goes on to be the model of the animatronic pirates for Disneyland.

Don: Accidentally saves Hugh Hefner's life, lands a freelance creative gig with Playboy, spends his life bedding Playmates, boozing, smoking...and really having a good time.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:09 PM   #1032
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Weiner apparently is going to give ONE interview to discuss the final ep, Wednesday in New York. It will be interesting to see if he reveals how deep the final shot goes.

Is it, on the surface, Don finding his inner peace, and the Coke ad is emblematic of it?

Did Don use this new self-realization to craft the Coke ad after returning to McCann-Erickson?

Or was Don's smile at the end his cynical realization that he could market this hippy crap to the masses -- with "The Real Thing" a supremely ironic statement about just how phony Don and his world really are?
I thought it was pretty clear; Don returned to McCann (once he got a ride) and wrote the iconic spot.

(I must admit that I thought Pete might not make it once he got aboard the jet...)
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:29 PM   #1033
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Cosgrove: Finds he has a talent for playing pirates and goes on to be the model of the animatronic pirates for Disneyland.
Or he becomes the model for the Hathaway shirt ads.
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I saw Peggy and Stan as brother and sister, so that kiss was very very very weird to me. I liked the finally. Much like Donald Glover, I just couldnt understand Don's motivations and career choices during the last season.
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Or he becomes the model for the Hathaway shirt ads.
Just in case no one knows what I am referring to here. It was a famous Ogilvy print ad, which is in his book on advertising.
"Probably the most famous print ad of all time."

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http://www.directmarketinginstitute....wayShirtAd.htm
The great advertising pioneer David Ogilvy ran through 18 concepts for shirt-maker client Hathaway's ad campaign before deciding on Baron Wrangell, "The Man with the Eye Patch."

Hathaway had been making shirts for 116 years, but was little noticed. This ad, with the mysterious character in the eye patch, instantly catapulted Hathaway as the #1 selling dress shirt in the world.
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