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**BigRedChief** · 02:36 PM

2011 WS Championship
2012 one win from another WS
2013 two wins from another WS title
2014?

This is a franchise that has made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
Reached three World Series in the last decade, and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Our new Manager has more post season experience than any other manager in baseball, except the Giants manager.
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
60 post season wins since 2004. 20+ wins more than any other team.
Only one of the last 14 seasons has been a losing one.

Hootie · 07-27-2014, 08:04 AM

'Hamas' you're my guy and all...

but Cardinals fans are the same fans that used to complain about Tony LaRussa

...you guys go to the NLCS or WS every freaking year

you're not allowed to complain about the Cardinals

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-27-2014, 08:08 AM

Of 388 players in baseball with 90+ at-bats, Daniel Descalso is 385th in runs created.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-27-2014, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

'Hamas' you're my guy and all...

but Cardinals fans are the same fans that used to complain about Tony LaRussa

...you guys go to the NLCS or WS every freaking year

you're not allowed to complain about the Cardinals

You definitely have a point. We're spoiled as far as the results of the team. The thing that pisses a lot of us off in this thread is how bizarre Matheny's decisions are.

I don't think that there are many of us that have a problem with the front office; it's pretty damned great. But goddamned if Matheny isn't a walking 'WTF' machine.

Hootie · 07-27-2014, 08:15 AM

I can't comment. I hate the Cardinals and avoid them at all costs. However, ALL of my friends are Cardinals fans. All of them thought LaRussa was a terrible manager. As did this board. This was confusing to me.

**BigRedChief** · 07-27-2014, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Of 388 players in baseball with 90+ at-bats, Daniel Descalso is 385th in runs created.

Continuing to play him makes no sense. Why? I'm starting to think these bible study gatherings that Matheny holds can't be discounted.

Supposedly some of the regulars are Jay, Craig, Delcasco, Waino, Robinson and Ellis. These meetings are supposedly sometimes held in the locker room or another room off the locker room. Your personal beliefs are your own but, if true, WTF? Could you imagine a business allowing a partisan religious meeting in a conference room during the hours of operations?

VAChief · 07-29-2014, 06:31 PM

Taveras, Miller plus competitive balance pick for Price gaining some traction.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/...to-trade-price

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-29-2014, 06:34 PM

I wasn't aware that David Price was a middle of the order bat.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-29-2014, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Continuing to play him makes no sense. Why? I'm starting to think these bible study gatherings that Matheny holds can't be discounted.

Supposedly some of the regulars are Jay, Craig, Delcasco, Waino, Robinson and Ellis. These meetings are supposedly sometimes held in the locker room or another room off the locker room. Your personal beliefs are your own but, if true, WTF? Could you imagine a business allowing a partisan religious meeting in a conference room during the hours of operations?

Sports has always been a little different regarding religion. I don't think that managers should be involved in those kinds of meetings; it creates too much of a cliquish atmosphere.

**BigRedChief** · 07-29-2014, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VAChief

Taveras, Miller plus competitive balance pick for Price gaining some traction.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/...to-trade-price

If Matheny is never going to give OT a fair chance to play then WTF good is he? He is 4-12 in his last AB's. Craig is hitting .133 for July (thats not a typo .133!)and probably worse against RH. Yet, Craig starts tonight.

If Matheny is going to **** up and jerk around Miller and OT what choice do we have? It's like what Larussa did to Rasmus all over again.

That being said, all the rumor mill down here is that Price is staying. The Rays think they have a chance this year.

**BigRedChief** · 07-29-2014, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Sports has always been a little different regarding religion. I don't think that managers should be involved in those kinds of meetings; it creates too much of a cliquish atmosphere.

You think? Even if it has no effect on decision making, it could certainly seems to an outsider viewing it that it creates a potential conflict of interest.

Mi_chief_fan · 07-29-2014, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VAChief

Taveras, Miller plus competitive balance pick for Price gaining some traction.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/...to-trade-price

Twitter was circulating Martinez, Piscotty and Gonzalez for Hamels; guess that one's been squashed.

**BigRedChief** · 07-29-2014, 07:01 PM

I think we should stay put this year. This team has not proven that they deserve to mortgage some pieces of the future to make a run this year. Losing Molina was the final straw that crashed the year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-29-2014, 08:12 PM

There isn't even a point to make deals like this at the deadline. With the way draft pick compensation is now allocated, teams want ridiculous hauls for guys you get two months out of. The Red Sox want a guy like Taveras or Joc Pederson along with other prospects for two months of Jon Lester. That's completely ****ing asinine.

If you want to trade for something, trade for a right-handed bench bat.

**BigRedChief** · 07-29-2014, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There isn't even a point to make deals like this at the deadline. With the way draft pick compensation is now allocated, teams want ridiculous hauls for guys you get two months out of. The Red Sox want a guy like Taveras or Joc Pederson along with other prospects for two months of Jon Lester. That's completely ****ing asinine.

If you want to trade for something, trade for a right-handed bench bat.

Yep, way too many teams are ready to mortgage the future for a one year run at the playoffs. Thats not us. Since the wild card format change the prices for players are outrageous. We just need to keep developing and drafting better than the rest of the league or at least most teams.

A two month rental of Lester for Taveras and Miller or Martinez level players is as you said.....asinine.

**BigRedChief** · 07-29-2014, 08:28 PM

From STL today:

Matheny: Saturday's starter could come via trade?

SAN DIEGO • The Cardinals will go with ace Adam Wainwright on Friday against Milwaukee and keep the righty on normal rest.
To find their starter for Saturday, however, they are looking beyond their roster.

The Cardinals will need a fifth starter for the first time in a couple weeks this Saturday against the Brewers, and while the team has outlined how a minor-leaguer could make that start or Carlos Martinez could shift back to the rotation for the day, manager Mike Matheny detailed this afternoon how the start could be an "external" option.
That means via trade.

"I think there’s always the possibility of anything could happen," Matheny said. "We’re talking about the fifth spot we have open. We could look at what happens to our bullpen, how we use guys. But this all comes down if anything happens externally. There are a lot of things that go into play."
The Cardinals' interest in David Price has been well-documented, but there is a growing sense that the Rays are less likely to move their ace as they have climbed into the AL East race. Reports surfaced Monday that the Phillies would make Cole Hamels available at a steep price. The Cardinals are one of the few teams that has the prospects available to make such a deal. Hamels has $96 million remaining on his contract, and the Cardinals do have some payroll flexibility to add a core-style contract.

The Cardinals are not a team that Hamels can block a trade to.
The Phillies have a scout at Class AAA Memphis' game at Omaha tonight, where lefty Tyler Lyons is pitching. Philadelphia, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer and other outlets, are seeking a substantial package of prospects for Hamels. Outfielder Stephen Piscotty is a top prospect in the Cardinals system that fits the profile several teams are looking for at the deadline.

Hamels pitched eight shutout innings for the Phillies tonight.
The Phillies are also entertaining suitors for righty A.J. Burnett. He is scheduled to pitch on Saturday.

In the past, the Cardinals have shown interest in acquiring players who they would have under control and they are reluctant to offer up chief prospects for a two-month rental. Jon Lester, the Boston Red Sox lefty, fits that description, as he's only under contract for the remainder of this season. That short-term addition has been unpalatable for the Cardinals when it comes to moving a top-tier prospect.

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07-27-2014, 08:04 AM	#2236
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	'Hamas' you're my guy and all... but Cardinals fans are the same fans that used to complain about Tony LaRussa ...you guys go to the NLCS or WS every freaking year you're not allowed to complain about the Cardinals
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07-27-2014, 08:08 AM	#2237
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7989572	Of 388 players in baseball with 90+ at-bats, Daniel Descalso is 385th in runs created. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-27-2014, 08:15 AM	#2239
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I can't comment. I hate the Cardinals and avoid them at all costs. However, ALL of my friends are Cardinals fans. All of them thought LaRussa was a terrible manager. As did this board. This was confusing to me.
Posts: 56,356

07-29-2014, 06:31 PM	#2241
VAChief Comfortably Numb Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $5055842	Taveras, Miller plus competitive balance pick for Price gaining some traction. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/...to-trade-price
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07-29-2014, 06:34 PM	#2242
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7989572	I wasn't aware that David Price was a middle of the order bat. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-29-2014, 07:01 PM	#2247
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2959627 VARSITY	I think we should stay put this year. This team has not proven that they deserve to mortgage some pieces of the future to make a run this year. Losing Molina was the final straw that crashed the year. __________________ Time is worth more than money.
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07-29-2014, 08:12 PM	#2248
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7989572	There isn't even a point to make deals like this at the deadline. With the way draft pick compensation is now allocated, teams want ridiculous hauls for guys you get two months out of. The Red Sox want a guy like Taveras or Joc Pederson along with other prospects for two months of Jon Lester. That's completely ****ing asinine. If you want to trade for something, trade for a right-handed bench bat. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 74,835

07-29-2014, 08:28 PM	#2250
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2959627 VARSITY	From STL today: Matheny: Saturday's starter could come via trade? SAN DIEGO • The Cardinals will go with ace Adam Wainwright on Friday against Milwaukee and keep the righty on normal rest. To find their starter for Saturday, however, they are looking beyond their roster. The Cardinals will need a fifth starter for the first time in a couple weeks this Saturday against the Brewers, and while the team has outlined how a minor-leaguer could make that start or Carlos Martinez could shift back to the rotation for the day, manager Mike Matheny detailed this afternoon how the start could be an "external" option. That means via trade. "I think there’s always the possibility of anything could happen," Matheny said. "We’re talking about the fifth spot we have open. We could look at what happens to our bullpen, how we use guys. But this all comes down if anything happens externally. There are a lot of things that go into play." The Cardinals' interest in David Price has been well-documented, but there is a growing sense that the Rays are less likely to move their ace as they have climbed into the AL East race. Reports surfaced Monday that the Phillies would make Cole Hamels available at a steep price. The Cardinals are one of the few teams that has the prospects available to make such a deal. Hamels has $96 million remaining on his contract, and the Cardinals do have some payroll flexibility to add a core-style contract. The Cardinals are not a team that Hamels can block a trade to. The Phillies have a scout at Class AAA Memphis' game at Omaha tonight, where lefty Tyler Lyons is pitching. Philadelphia, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer and other outlets, are seeking a substantial package of prospects for Hamels. Outfielder Stephen Piscotty is a top prospect in the Cardinals system that fits the profile several teams are looking for at the deadline. Hamels pitched eight shutout innings for the Phillies tonight. The Phillies are also entertaining suitors for righty A.J. Burnett. He is scheduled to pitch on Saturday. In the past, the Cardinals have shown interest in acquiring players who they would have under control and they are reluctant to offer up chief prospects for a two-month rental. Jon Lester, the Boston Red Sox lefty, fits that description, as he's only under contract for the remainder of this season. That short-term addition has been unpalatable for the Cardinals when it comes to moving a top-tier prospect. __________________ Time is worth more than money.
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