Worst to First?

[Mr. Arrowhead]

And the ESPN/NFL Network love fest for the chiefs continue. On NFL Live they said the chiefs were the most likely team to go worst to first in our division, and yes they all realized Peyton Manning is still the qb for the Broncos.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ok, so go look at the schedule and tell me the 11 wins you see for KC and the 10 wins you see for Denver.

So, let me know the 11 and 10 wins you see for the teams... I'm quite curious.

Denver:

1. Ravens: Win
2. @ Giants: Loss
3. Raiders: Win
4. Eagles: Win
5. @ Cowboys: Loss
6. Jaguars: Win
7. @ Colts: Loss
8. Redskins: Win
9. Bye
10. @ Chargers: Win
11. Chiefs: Win
12. @ Pats: Loss
13. @ Chiefs: Loss
14. Titans: Win
15. Chargers: Win
16. @ Texans: Loss
17. @ Raiders: Win

10-6 Wildcard

Chiefs:

1. @ Jaguars: Win
2. Cowboys: Win
3. @ Eagles: Win
4. Giants: Loss
5. @ Titans: Win
6. Raiders: Win
7. Texans: Loss
8. Browns: Win
9. @ Bills: Loss
10. Bye
11. @ Broncos: Loss
12. Chargers: Win
13. Broncos: Win
14. @ Redskins: Loss
15. @ Raiders: Win
16. Colts: Win
17. @ Chargers: Win

11-5, AFC West Divisional Champions

The bolded part stood out to me... yeah, I think Bowe is a very good WR. But, the TEs and the other WRs are a bag of spares at this point. Yes, Charles is good, but Smith isn't a Flacco type... hell, he's a little better than an Orton type, maybe.

Fasano is solid, Moeaki can be very good depending upon injury rehab and Kelce is a rookie, so we'll see but he was pretty hyped following his last season in college going into the draft. That's a pretty good three deep rotation at the TE spot.

And as I stated, the #2 WR spot is a question mark. Baldwin has as good a physical ability and size as anyone in the league. I think having Smith at QB and the West Coast system will help him tremendously. In addition, McCluster will be solid as the 3/4 guy (depending upon what they want to do with him on returns versus the passing game - sounds like he's going to be the full time return man). I think Hemingway will end up being the #4 guy behind Bowe, Baldwin and Avery with McCluster seeing gimmick/gadget action on offense and being the full time return guy.

And you are flat out bat shit crazy if you think that Smith is "a little better than an Orton type, maybe."

Smith was top three in the league last year in completion percentage, QB rating and yards per attempt. He's athletic, a legit 6'4", 230 lbs., very smart and doesn't give the ball to the defense. Extremely efficient with his passing and will be supported by a system that fits his skill set to a "T" and an extremely good running game. The Chiefs will be very balanced offensively and Smith is a big reason for that.

[ThaVirus]

You're smoking that good shit, brother.

Carry on..

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Chiefs:

1. @ Jaguars: Win
2. Cowboys: Win
3. @ Eagles: Win
4. Giants: Loss
5. @ Titans: Win
6. Raiders: Win
7. Texans: Loss
8. Browns: Win
9. @ Bills: Loss
10. Bye
11. @ Broncos: Loss
12. Chargers: Win
13. Broncos: Win
14. @ Redskins: Loss
15. @ Raiders: Win
16. Colts: Win
17. @ Chargers: Win

11-5, AFC West Divisional Champions

We always win a game that we had no business winning and losing at least one that we had no business losing.

I see you predicted a loss to the Bills (which, lately, would be par for the course), but which is your most likely candidate for the game that we steal?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

We always win a game that we had no business winning and losing at least one that we had no business losing.

I see you predicted a loss to the Bills (which, lately, would be par for the course), but which is your most likely candidate for the game that we steal?

Texans or Denver I'm guessing

[O.city]

We haven't had a coach as good as Andy Reid since Marty. I could see that being true record wise but I'm gonna wait till preseason to se how things go befor I make a prediction

[BossChief]

If we don't at least win 8 of those games on our schedule, that will be sad.

That's a cake schedule.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If we don't at least win 8 of those games on our schedule, that will be sad.

That's a cake schedule.

It doesn't get any easier.

On top of that the Chargers and Raiders probably won't win 10 games combined...

[ptlyon]

I'll have what he's having

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Denver:

1. Ravens: Win
2. @ Giants: Loss
3. Raiders: Win
4. Eagles: Win
5. @ Cowboys: Win
6. Jaguars: Win
7. @ Colts: Win
8. Redskins: Win
9. Bye
10. @ Chargers: Win
11. Chiefs: Win
12. @ Pats: Loss
13. @ Chiefs: Win
14. Titans: Win
15. Chargers: Win
16. @ Texans: Loss
17. @ Raiders: Win

13-3 Division Winners

Chiefs:

1. @ Jaguars: Loss
2. Cowboys: Loss
3. @ Eagles: Win
4. Giants: Loss
5. @ Titans: Win
6. Raiders: Win
7. Texans: Loss
8. Browns: Win
9. @ Bills: Loss
10. Bye
11. @ Broncos: Loss
12. Chargers: Win
13. Broncos: Loss
14. @ Redskins: Loss
15. @ Raiders: Win
16. Colts: Loss
17. @ Chargers: Loss

6-10


And you are flat out bat shit crazy if you think that Smith is "a little better than an Orton type, maybe."

Smith was top three in the league last year in completion percentage, QB rating and yards per attempt. He's athletic, a legit 6'4", 230 lbs., very smart and doesn't give the ball to the defense. Extremely efficient with his passing and will be supported by a system that fits his skill set to a "T" and an extremely good running game. The Chiefs will be very balanced offensively and Smith is a big reason for that.

Fixed the schedules for you.

I don't see the problem with listing Smith as similar to Orton. Over their careers, Orton has the same number of TDs but 26 fewer turnovers, even though he has played 8 fewer games than Smith. Orton's YPA and YPC are both higher than Smith's.

However, I know that you don't like to look at anything Smith did before 2012, so here are their best statistical seasons compared:

Smith: 7.97 YPA, 11.35 YPC, 13 TD, 8 turnovers
Orton: 7.34 YPA, 12.47 YPC, 20 TD, 10 turnovers

[Mav]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Fixed the schedules for you.

I don't see the problem with listing Smith as similar to Orton. Over their careers, Orton has the same number of TDs but 26 fewer turnovers, even though he has played 8 fewer games than Smith. Orton's YPA and YPC are both higher than Smith's.

However, I know that you don't like to look at anything Smith did before 2012, so here are their best statistical seasons compared:

Smith: 7.97 YPA, 11.35 YPC, 13 TD, 8 turnovers
Orton: 7.34 YPA, 12.47 YPC, 20 TD, 10 turnovers

The Chiefs aren't losing week one to Jacksonville. Ill put my house on that. No Blackmon, and they don't know who their qb is.......

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Maverick91579

The Chiefs aren't losing week one to Jacksonville. Ill put my house on that. No Blackmon, and they don't know who their qb is.......

Florida in early September is miserable. Excepting Oakland's domination in the 70's, AFCW teams are 3-10 in Florida in September, and 2 of those wins came against horrible Tampa Bay teams.

The 13-3 2005 Broncos got destroyed in Miami in the season opener, losing by 24 points. Their other two losses were by 1 and 4 points.

Add to that the first game in a new system for offense and defense, and I don't like KC's chances no matter how good they are and no matter how bad Jacksonville is.

[Wildcat2005]

They should beat Jacksonville, but I doubt they go 5-1 in the division

They havent swept the Raiders and Chargers in a while, I am not sure why those would all be penciled in as wins

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Denver:

1. Ravens: Win
2. @ Giants: Loss
3. Raiders: Win
4. Eagles: Win
5. @ Cowboys: Loss
6. Jaguars: Win
7. @ Colts: Loss
8. Redskins: Win
9. Bye
10. @ Chargers: Win
11. Chiefs: Win
12. @ Pats: Loss
13. @ Chiefs: Loss
14. Titans: Win
15. Chargers: Win
16. @ Texans: Loss
17. @ Raiders: Win

10-6 Wildcard

Chiefs:

1. @ Jaguars: Win
2. Cowboys: Win
3. @ Eagles: Win
4. Giants: Loss
5. @ Titans: Win
6. Raiders: Win
7. Texans: Loss
8. Browns: Win
9. @ Bills: Loss
10. Bye
11. @ Broncos: Loss
12. Chargers: Win
13. Broncos: Win
14. @ Redskins: Loss
15. @ Raiders: Win
16. Colts: Win
17. @ Chargers: Win

11-5, AFC West Divisional Champions



Fasano is solid, Moeaki can be very good depending upon injury rehab and Kelce is a rookie, so we'll see but he was pretty hyped following his last season in college going into the draft. That's a pretty good three deep rotation at the TE spot.

And as I stated, the #2 WR spot is a question mark. Baldwin has as good a physical ability and size as anyone in the league. I think having Smith at QB and the West Coast system will help him tremendously. In addition, McCluster will be solid as the 3/4 guy (depending upon what they want to do with him on returns versus the passing game - sounds like he's going to be the full time return man). I think Hemingway will end up being the #4 guy behind Bowe, Baldwin and Avery with McCluster seeing gimmick/gadget action on offense and being the full time return guy.

And you are flat out bat shit crazy if you think that Smith is "a little better than an Orton type, maybe."

Smith was top three in the league last year in completion percentage, QB rating and yards per attempt. He's athletic, a legit 6'4", 230 lbs., very smart and doesn't give the ball to the defense. Extremely efficient with his passing and will be supported by a system that fits his skill set to a "T" and an extremely good running game. The Chiefs will be very balanced offensively and Smith is a big reason for that.

I think the Chiefs offensive lineup is basically Reid's idea of a dream team. He has a cerebral, accurate QB who protects the ball, he has bookend tackles and a solid interior line, he has really big recievers with deceptive speed and the ability to block, solid tight ends, a wide reciever who is fast enough to keep D's honest and a probowl running back who is a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. With all these pieces in place, coupled with Reid's scheme, this should be an outstanding offense this year. He really couldn't ask for a better situation.

Alex Smith really couldn't ask for a better situation either. Just look at the playmakers at his disposal:

Bowe- 6'2" 221lbs 4.51
Baldwin- 6'4" 230lbs 4.49
Fasano- 6'4" 255lbs 4.72
Moeaki- 6'3" 252lbs 4.69
Kelce- 6'5" 255lbs 4.64
Avery- 5'11" 186lbs 4.27
McCluster-5'9" 170lbs 4.59
Charles-6'1" 200lbs 4.36
Davis-6'0" 227lbs 4.35

If ASmith can throw with any semblance of accuracy, and by all accounts he can, there is no way to cover the playmakers. Our recievers are too big for most CBs to cover without them getting insane YACs and our TEs are too fast for LBs to cover well. D's are gonna have to play back a bit to make sure the play stays in front of them so they can get help. Doing that however, creates all kinds of opportunities for Jamaal--add in to the fact that our TEs and WRs are really accomplished blockers.

This will be a fun season.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Maverick91579

The Chiefs aren't losing week one to Jacksonville. Ill put my house on that. No Blackmon, and they don't know who their qb is.......

Oh, but can I still have your house if KC loses week one?

[Sorter]

1. @ Jaguars: Win
2. Cowboys: Loss
3. @ Eagles: Loss
4. Giants: Loss
5. @ Titans: Win
6. Raiders: Win
7. Texans: Loss
8. Browns: Loss
9. @ Bills: Loss
10. Bye
11. @ Broncos: Loss
12. Chargers: Win
13. Broncos: Loss
14. @ Redskins: Loss
15. @ Raiders: Loss
16. Colts: Loss
17. @ Chargers: Loss

This team could very well end up at 4-12, much like they did after the last time they went 2-14. Additionally, thinking you'll sweep both division opponents is silly, unless you're a team that is clearly better such as the stupid Donks. The trend for the past several years is for KC to split those games.