Chiefs An NFL insider rips Pioli for letting quality players go - Page 2

Sorter · 11-05-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

Exactly!!

And imagine how much more imaginative the defense could be - I mean, the defense RAC usually wants to go with, the DBs are expected to be flexible, as in play either S or CB (there is no true 'FS' or 'SS' in that D - both are expected to cover either side depending on the situation) - Berry is that guy (when he's 100% - and he's not right now) and Carr TOTALLY was that guy.

Carr could play either side CB, S or Nickel without being a liability at any (I'm talking to you, Travis Daniels and Javier Arenas); he could man up, and cover his zone. One-on-one or playing underneath assignments...

He was a model teammate and one of the most versatile and complete football players on the team...

and they let him walk, and signed a man-to-man cover corner who struggles with reads and zones.

Awesome.

Routt should've been a nickle back here, and Travis Daniels should be working at Home Depot.

But no, it's a process.

Carr did none of those things. He played the right side and right side only. Just like Routt.

rabblerouser · 11-05-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Carr did none of those things. He played the right side and right side only. Just like Routt.

But he was certainly capable. He has the physical talent, ball awareness, football IQ and work ethic to play either side, the middle, and in man or zone coverages.

Routt is strictly a man-to-man guy...and I think he a LCB his entire career in Oakland. Don't know if that could be a reason for his poor play, or if the disease os suck permeating the team has affected him to.

Chicken-or-the-egg.

Sorter · 11-05-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

Exactly!!

And imagine how much more imaginative the defense could be - I mean, the defense RAC usually wants to go with, the DBs are expected to be flexible, as in play either S or CB (there is no true 'FS' or 'SS' in that D - both are expected to cover either side depending on the situation) - Berry is that guy (when he's 100% - and he's not right now) and Carr TOTALLY was that guy.

Berry actually plays up in a LB spot covering TEs typically, not in a safety position in our sub package, which we run quite a bit. Carr never did that.

rabblerouser · 11-05-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Berry actually plays up in a LB spot covering TEs typically, not in a safety position in our sub package, which we run quite a bit. Carr never did that.

He does that in run support too - when he's 100%, Berry is probably the most versatile player on that D. You'd figure that with Berry, Flowers and Carr in you D backfield, you would be set for a decade and able to run any Defense you want at anytime. Routt would've been a great nickel back and insurance policy.

not resigning Carr = major Pioli fail

Sorter · 11-05-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

Exactly!!

Routt should've been a nickle back here,

Routt would get worked much worse on the inside. If you think he is playing horrible now, he would be that much more ineffective playing inside IMO.

Javier isn't the answer either. Don't think I'm saying that. We have no quality RCB or nickel/slot/inside corner (whatever term you prefer).

rabblerouser · 11-05-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Routt would get worked much worse on the inside. If you think he is playing horrible now, he would be that much more ineffective playing inside IMO.

Javier isn't the answer either. Don't think I'm saying that. We have no quality RCB or nickel/slot/inside corner (whatever term you prefer).

Javier is a LIABILITY in pass coverage, no matter where he lines up.

He's a decent special teamer...who we used a 2nd rd pick on...the we got in exchange for Tony G.

Buddha wept.

carlos3652 · 11-05-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity:

How many good years (in Atlanta) has Tony Gonzalez had now? Enough said.”

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...op-cornerbacks

Carl's move?

Mr. Arrowhead · 11-05-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by carlos3652

Carl's move?

Pioli traded TG, that was one of his first moves after he traded for Matt Cassel and drafted Tyson Jackson

carlos3652 · 11-05-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

Pioli traded TG, that was one of his first moves after he traded for Matt Cassel and drafted Tyson Jackson

Thanks - sorry, thought of Allen for whatever reason...

Although TG wanted gone anyways...

**BossChief** · 11-05-2012, 10:48 AM

It's a process and we are all familiar with the process and Cassel is a team leader that is gonna work hard and work tremendously hard because he is a team leader and a captain that's a hard worker and we are gonna fight through all of this and we should have high expectations in august and then lower expectations once the games start.

It's a process and we should all trust in the process.

Get a clue. Your choice to be a fan.

rabblerouser · 11-05-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

It's a process and we are all familiar with the process and Cassel is a team leader that is gonna work hard and work tremendously hard because he is a team leader and a captain that's a hard worker and we are gonna fight through all of this and we should have high expectations in suggest and then lower expectations once the games start.

It's a process.

**** **** **** **** shit mother**** **** **** sonofastupidbitch **** ****

How did Chunt not fire him during the bye week!!??? Or this past Friday!!??

****

**Bane** · 11-05-2012, 10:48 AM

Carr should have been resigned no doubt.It's not like we needed the $$$ for a QB or anything.

mcaj22 · 11-05-2012, 10:50 AM

if he had kept guys like

Waters
Barth
Shaun Smith
Ron Edwards
Pollard
Wade Smith
Brandon Carr
Jason Babin
Ill even throw in turds like Wallace Gilberry

lets be honest all these veterans are better stop gaps and talent than Pioli going out and drafting and wasting picks on GUARDS, TACKLES, D-LINE, BAD CBs, every ****ing draft.

These guys fill holes and depth that was already here. he could have spent draft picks elsewhere and taken gambles on potential playmakers because of what he had kept in house.

but he didnt, because he thinks he can find the next Richard Seymour or Mark Bavaro or Matt Light every ****ing draft pick

**BossChief** · 11-05-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

if he had kept guys like

Waters
Barth
Shaun Smith
Ron Edwards
Pollard
Wade Smith
Brandon Carr
Jason Babin
Ill even throw in turds like Wallace Gilberry

lets be honest all these veterans are better stop gaps and talent than Pioli going out and drafting and wasting picks on GUARDS, TACKLES, D-LINE, BAD CBs, every ****ing draft.

These guys fill holes and depth that was already here. he could have spent draft picks elsewhere and taken gambles on potential playmakers because of
what he had kept in house.

but he didnt, because he thinks he can find the next Richard Seymour or Mark Bavaro or Matt Light every ****ing draft pick

You forgot Tony Gonzalez.

It's a process.

mcaj22 · 11-05-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

You forgot Tony Gonzalez.

It's a process.

you are right. Had he kept Tony G we would have never had to see that awful scenario where he trades back up in the 3rd to draft Tony Moeaki with Jimmy Graham and all those other good players still on the board.

he could have saved himself some reputation from not looking like a stupid asshole taking a brokedick from his boy Ferentz because of the Cleveland Browns suck n **** tree of shitheads

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Bane C.H.I.E.F.S Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: **** your face Casino cash: $10005055	Carr should have been resigned no doubt.It's not like we needed the $$$ for a QB or anything.
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11-05-2012, 10:50 AM	#13
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	if he had kept guys like Waters Barth Shaun Smith Ron Edwards Pollard Wade Smith Brandon Carr Jason Babin Ill even throw in turds like Wallace Gilberry lets be honest all these veterans are better stop gaps and talent than Pioli going out and drafting and wasting picks on GUARDS, TACKLES, D-LINE, BAD CBs, every **ing draft. These guys fill holes and depth that was already here. he could have spent draft picks elsewhere and taken gambles on potential playmakers because of what he had kept in house. but he didnt, because he thinks he can find the next Richard Seymour or Mark Bavaro or Matt Light every **ing draft pick
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