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Old 06-07-2012, 09:06 PM   #1
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Superman is practically a god, only krytonite,magic andhumanity can defeat him. He would equate to thor + ironman + hulk. That is a villian not a main good guy character.
Which is why this "Man Of Steel" reboot has promise, if it examines this part. So far in the Superman lexicon, AFAIK only "Smallville" has even remotely hinted that Supes might have some human angst and emotion. The recent "Chronicle" worked this nature vs. nurture point; what's the difference between a Clark Kent and a Zod? I'm not saying we need "The Dark Knight From Krypton", but making Supes a bit less of a cardboard-cutout Boy Scout would be a good step.

Same goes for Wonder Woman. Yeah, Linda Carter was hot. And cute. And smiled a lot. And basically played a 70s submissive secretary who looked sexy in tight spandex. What would the real Wonder Woman be like? Aquaman is also supposedly a bit of a pissed-off guy. With the environmental edge, he could be played as more of an angry Poseidon. They're all underdeveloped characters that are begging for a more involved treatment.

The problem is simple, though: it's not about the characters, it's also about who's playing them. Let's face it, as good as "Avengers" is, it really hinges on one person: Downey as Tony Stark. I liked Chris Evans' portrayal of CA, I liked Ruffalo as Hulk, and I liked Hemsworth as Thor, but without Downey's Iron Man it wouldn't be half the film. Iron Man (the character) and Downey (the actor) are driving that money train. For a JL film to succeed, Cavill will have to "break out" as Supes, and/or they need to convince Bale to don the cape one more time.
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Old 06-07-2012, 10:17 PM   #2
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Which is why this "Man Of Steel" reboot has promise, if it examines this part. So far in the Superman lexicon, AFAIK only "Smallville" has even remotely hinted that Supes might have some human angst and emotion. The recent "Chronicle" worked this nature vs. nurture point; what's the difference between a Clark Kent and a Zod? I'm not saying we need "The Dark Knight From Krypton", but making Supes a bit less of a cardboard-cutout Boy Scout would be a good step.

Same goes for Wonder Woman. Yeah, Linda Carter was hot. And cute. And smiled a lot. And basically played a 70s submissive secretary who looked sexy in tight spandex. What would the real Wonder Woman be like? Aquaman is also supposedly a bit of a pissed-off guy. With the environmental edge, he could be played as more of an angry Poseidon. They're all underdeveloped characters that are begging for a more involved treatment.

The problem is simple, though: it's not about the characters, it's also about who's playing them. Let's face it, as good as "Avengers" is, it really hinges on one person: Downey as Tony Stark. I liked Chris Evans' portrayal of CA, I liked Ruffalo as Hulk, and I liked Hemsworth as Thor, but without Downey's Iron Man it wouldn't be half the film. Iron Man (the character) and Downey (the actor) are driving that money train. For a JL film to succeed, Cavill will have to "break out" as Supes, and/or they need to convince Bale to don the cape one more time.

I'd probably agree with this for the most part. Marvel really cast all of them well, but they hit a HR with Downey. he's the cog that drives the engine.


As for Bale doing Batman for Justice League.......I don't know, I almost feel like they would have to reboot Batman for that. The Batman and the world Nolan has created feels pretty far removed from most comic book worlds. It's almost like its own thing and deserves to stand alone. It just wouldn't fit into in sort of broader comic book world.
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:11 PM   #3
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To be honest, if they want to do a DC ensemble movie, I would rather see a Titans movie than a JL one.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:14 AM   #4
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with Superman, can't they just cut to the chase and have him fight Doomsday. Until then, I'm not wasting anymore time on those bullshit films
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Old 06-08-2012, 08:17 AM   #5
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Interesting poll on yahoo.com this morning. 150,000 votes in

What's the greatest superhero team?

Justice League 42%

Avengers 30%

X-Men 28%
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:05 AM   #6
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Interesting poll on yahoo.com this morning. 150,000 votes in

What's the greatest superhero team?

Justice League 42%

Avengers 30%

X-Men 28%
LOL... No.......
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:07 AM   #7
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LOL... No.......
You seem to echo most of the people in this thread. I think the poll just indicates there is a market for the movie to be made.
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:35 AM   #8
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You seem to echo most of the people in this thread. I think the poll just indicates there is a market for the movie to be made.
I'd put as much value in a Yahoo poll as I would Facebook Likes..

Justice League = Matt Cassel

Avengers = Aaron Rodgers
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:45 AM   #9
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I'd put as much value in a Yahoo poll as I would Facebook Likes..

Justice League = Matt Cassel

Avengers = Aaron Rodgers
Perhaps, but I think JL has more "mainstream" characters then the Avengers. The quality of the movie may not equal the Avengers and Clay was right that they did a good job of the build up. I'm just stating there is a large market and demand for a JL movie.
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:41 AM   #10
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Interesting poll on yahoo.com this morning. 150,000 votes in

What's the greatest superhero team?

Justice League 42%

Avengers 30%

X-Men 28%


I bet 90% of the people who voted for "Justice League" can't name any of the other characters except Batman and Superman.
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I bet 90% of the people who voted for "Justice League" can't name any of the other characters except Batman and Superman.
You think they don't know Wonder Woman?

I would be more interested in the Titans.
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I bet 90% of the people who voted for "Justice League" can't name any of the other characters except Batman and Superman.
I don't know. You might be surprised. The Justice League has had a presence on television for years.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:22 PM   #13
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I don't know. You might be surprised. The Justice League has had a presence on television for years.
Exactly. About 25 years ago I thought the JL cartoon was the best thing on TV since it combined all the super heros into one show. I'm guessing a lot of people in their 30's now who aren't big comic book fans like myself remember that show quite well. And of course if you have kids I'm sure you've seen the newer version.
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At least DC has a point of reference now after having seen the Avengers and X-Men films.

They should be able to come up with someone fairly compelling.
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Marvel set up Avengers well by killing it with the Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America and Thor movies.

The last Superman film and the last Batman film don't even seem to be in the same universe.
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