Sports-Related Conspiracy Theories

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Some of the recent posts about various things being rigged has gotten me thinking. I love a good conspiracy theory, and I'd like to know how much you all do, too. I think this thread should be a place to hash those out. I'll start:

Joe Paterno decided to kill himself rather than face the public for his proximity to Sandusky and the kiddie porn dungeon that became the Penn St facilities.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

And yet that blackout at the SB was because the NFL wanted the 49ers to at least make it a ****ing game.

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[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Someone is sabotaging our players Achilles.

Is there a team in the league that has a midget cheater on their roster who needs money to support his drug habit?

WELKER!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

In 1995 shortly after the Cowboys played the Chiefs on Thanksgiving Day Jerry Jones was interviewed and said he wanted no part of the KC defense if it came to that in that seasons SB.

KC that season had a kicker who shall go unnamed that not only was from Texas,went to school in Texas but better yet played with the Cowboys before coming to KC.

Fast forward to a frigid day in Jan when a dome team came to Arrowhead as a 10 point dog and knowing that Jerry Jones would sell his mother for a SB ring and you know the rest of the story so draw your own conclusions.

The Cowboys ****ing dismantled the Chiefs on Thanksgiving. That Super Bowl would have been an ass kicking.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There's some real interesting reading on this. Cliff notes, and it doesn't begin to tell the story... First of all, steroids doesn't help as much as people think. Much of power is built in your lower body and hip rotation, and steroids doesn't help much there. Steroids helps with bat speed and to help balance your arms to allow for a quicker swing. No doubt steroids helps.

But juicing has been going on for years undetected. Who's to say the juicing in the home run era was far different from juicing in other eras? Two things we do know from history, however. Baseball's can be juiced or unjuiced. Not even just a little bit. Significantly. You'll recall that the solution to guys hitting a bazillion home runs at coors field was unjuicing the ball. The rockies hit a lot less home runs. If they did it there, who's to say San Francisco couldn't have unjuiced their baseballs too? It sure seems to me that baseball had the power to tone down the home runs but chose not to.

And historically, it's not like this is the first time we saw peaks and valleys in home runs. This isn't the first home run era in the history of baseball. We had a dead ball era, several spikes in home runs, and most believe those spikes are heavily attributed to changes in the baseball. So if you believe that players in the 50s weren't using steroids, how do we explain the several home run eras that occurred in baseball well before the 80s?

Amphetamines can account for an uptick.

Also, bat speed is the most important factor to hitting a baseball a long way. If you have a 70 mph bat speed and you center it, it's still not going out. If you have a 105 mph bat speed you can hit one off center and still drive it out of the park.

Coors used humidity, which adds weight to the balls via moisture.

The balls would only be "juiced" if they had a higher coefficient of restitution. That is, they must be able to both deform and spring back to their original shape quickly. If they just deform, it's like hitting a marshmallow and it goes nowhere. If it is just hard, it's like hitting a rock and it goes nowhere. You would need a core material that is both compressible and highly resilient.

There have been various studies about it, but nothing definitive suggesting a real change in the manufacture of baseballs at that time. Moreover, if they found a way to juice the ball, why wouldn't they keep it juiced, and why did the implementation of testing directly correlate with a decrease in HR rates?

There are counterarguments to the above factors I've listed, but overall evidence is lacking.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Cowboys ****ing dismantled the Chiefs on Thanksgiving. That Super Bowl would have been an ass kicking.

Michael Irvin raped Dale Carter that day.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Ugly, it was.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Amphetamines can account for an uptick.

Also, bat speed is the most important factor to hitting a baseball a long way. If you have a 70 mph bat speed and you center it, it's still not going out. If you have a 105 mph bat speed you can hit one off center and still drive it out of the park.

Coors used humidity, which adds weight to the balls via moisture.

The balls would only be "juiced" if they had a higher coefficient of restitution. That is, they must be able to both deform and spring back to their original shape quickly. If they just deform, it's like hitting a marshmallow and it goes nowhere. If it is just hard, it's like hitting a rock and it goes nowhere. You would need a core material that is both compressible and highly resilient.

There have been various studies about it, but nothing definitive suggesting a real change in the manufacture of baseballs at that time. Moreover, if they found a way to juice the ball, why wouldn't they keep it juiced, and why did the implementation of testing directly correlate with a decrease in HR rates?

There are counterarguments to the above factors I've listed, but overall evidence is lacking.

Yes, but the argument is that bat speed is widely generated by muscle strength. I don't think it always is. It helps somewhat and granted that somewhat in split seconds is a big advantage. It still doesn't for me answer the question of why the spike then. Should we assume that before Sosa and McGuire and bonds, nobody was juicing?

I do disagree about baseballs. I think they can be juiced or unjuiced pretty easily. The way Selig turned a complete blind eye to steroids, wouldn't surprise me at all if baseball manipulated baseballs to keep home run counts down to prove that steroid testing was working.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes, but the argument is that bat speed is widely generated by muscle strength. I don't think it always is. It helps somewhat and granted that somewhat in split seconds is a big advantage. It still doesn't for me answer the question of why the spike then. Should we assume that before Sosa and McGuire and bonds, nobody was juicing?

I do disagree about baseballs. I think they can be juiced or unjuiced pretty easily. The way Selig turned a complete blind eye to steroids, wouldn't surprise me at all if baseball manipulated baseballs to keep home run counts down to prove that steroid testing was working.

Bat speed is generated by strength and flexibility. Flexibility can be learned to a degree, but you can only wind and unwind your hips so fast. That's why I can train as much as I want the rest of my life and I'll never hit a golf ball as far as Rory McIlroy despite having a larger swing arc and being just as flexible. (I can put my feet behind my head and turn my shoulders 120* to my spine angle...doesn't matter much, really)

Strength can make a significant difference. It's just easier to swing a 34 ounce stick at high speeds if you are stronger. Not only do they have more upper body strength but more musculature in the legs allows for a better base of support.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Explain.

You spelled insane wrong.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bat speed is generated by strength and flexibility. Flexibility can be learned to a degree, but you can only wind and unwind your hips so fast. That's why I can train as much as I want the rest of my life and I'll never hit a golf ball as far as Rory McIlroy despite having a larger swing arc and being just as flexible. (I can put my feet behind my head and turn my shoulders 120* to my spine angle...doesn't matter much, really)

Strength can make a significant difference. It's just easier to swing a 34 ounce stick at high speeds if you are stronger. Not only do they have more upper body strength but more musculature in the legs allows for a better base of support.

Agree on upper body. Read that the bicep strength creates kind of a balance point that stabilizes your swing. I've heard that steroids doesn't do a whole lot for your legs. One of the reasons why I think some think the positive effects may be exaggerated. Definitely performance enhancing but maybe not as much as people think.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Agree on upper body. Read that the bicep strength creates kind of a balance point that stabilizes your swing. I've heard that steroids doesn't do a whole lot for your legs. One of the reasons why I think some think the positive effects may be exaggerated. Definitely performance enhancing but maybe not as much as people think.

Gas also helps you recover faster, which can account for more consistent power numbers. Baseball is a long grind. If your body feels fresher more often, better results should follow.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Gas also helps you recover faster, which can account for more consistent power numbers. Baseball is a long grind. If your body feels fresher more often, better results should follow.

Definitely see that. Especially for players like bonds who were popping insane numbers at the Twilight of their career. Never thought of it in terms of late season Homers but that makes sense too.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Definitely see that. Especially for players like bonds who were popping insane numbers at the Twilight of their career. Never thought of it in terms of late season Homers but that makes sense too.

The dilution of pitching and the smaller parks helped, too. A lot of factors overall, but I do think that PEDs were the largest single contributor.

Imagine if you were Ryan Howard and you were born in 1960 instead of 1980. You'd play your entire career in a cavernous shithole like the Vet instead of Citizens Bank Bandbox.

[J Diddy]

I think the Chiefs trainers are employed as double agents by the Broncos. With all that access and their tendon death ray they are wreaking havoc.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

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Then why wasn't there a blackout during last year's super bowl? .
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