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Old 01-22-2013, 12:07 AM   #1
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Flacco is a winner. I don't think there is another QB that has as many regular or post season wins since he as been a starter.
His playoff success is probably overrated because of Baltimore's defense, but last week kind of destroyed that argument.
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:45 AM   #2
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His playoff success is probably overrated because of Baltimore's defense, but last week kind of destroyed that argument.
last week? what about this entire 3 game playoff sample

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so hes not just even making his bread and butter off dinking and dunking, hes beating teams in the playoffs with his arm strength
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Yeah but Baltimore's defense has played extremely well throughout his playoff career. I mean he won a playoff game where he threw for 34 yards.

Last week against Denver was the first time he really had to go win a game. I suppose you could say he did that had it not been for the drop/missed FG last year against NE.

Just tempering the FlaccoBJ a bit.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:23 AM   #4
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Flacco starts playing well after the Ravens dump a overrated, stupid offensive coordinator and a new one gets adjusted in the new role. What a coincidence.

Cam Cameron sucked.
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To me "clutch" and "elite" are the same thing.

If you can be depended on to make the plays that win games and you consistently do then you're "elite."

That definition works for K, QB, WR, or any defensive player.

When you're put in the position to make a play than can win the game how often do you?

That decides who's "elite."
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:38 AM   #6
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To me "clutch" and "elite" are the same thing.

If you can be depended on to make the plays that win games and you consistently do then you're "elite."

That definition works for K, QB, WR, or any defensive player.

When you're put in the position to make a play than can win the game how often do you?

That decides who's "elite."
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Its not about how many yards you throw. Teams pass so much in todays game, its dumb to judge a guy based on yards. Lots of guys throw for yards.

Flacco is a guy who just was able to slowly develop over time. His first 3 years in the playoffs he was viewed as an underachiever. Hes grown into a leader and elite playmaker.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:17 AM   #7
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Its not about how many yards you throw. Teams pass so much in todays game, its dumb to judge a guy based on yards. Lots of guys throw for yards.

Flacco is a guy who just was able to slowly develop over time. His first 3 years in the playoffs he was viewed as an underachiever. Hes grown into a leader and elite playmaker.
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I'm starting to come around on Flacco. It's hard to argue his results.
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NFLN's Ian Rapoport on Joe Flacco contract status: "His camp believes he is playing better than Peyton Manning." Peyton makes $19.2M a year.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:24 PM   #10
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NFLN's Ian Rapoport on Joe Flacco contract status: "His camp believes he is playing better than Peyton Manning." Peyton makes $19.2M a year.
Its easy to say that since his team has progressed farther into the playoffs... but realistically, he didnt seem to wake up until the last month, last two of regular season and then playoffs.

No team is going to give him Manning money until he's able to shine across a full season... he impressed me and changed my tune about him, but its still based on a small body of work.

He wont get 19, i'm guessing Newsome will offer him 13-15 and he'll take it to stay with the ravens, he'd be a fool not to.
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Its easy to say that since his team has progressed farther into the playoffs... but realistically, he didnt seem to wake up until the last month, last two of regular season and then playoffs.

No team is going to give him Manning money until he's able to shine across a full season... he impressed me and changed my tune about him, but its still based on a small body of work.

He wont get 19, i'm guessing Newsome will offer him 13-15 and he'll take it to stay with the ravens, he'd be a fool not to.
He'd be a god damn fool to take 13 million.

I don't care that he's not an outstanding regular season QB. He's an outstanding clutch QB and this Ravens team is his team. Make no mistake about that.

He should ask for 20 million a year.
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He'd be a god damn fool to take 13 million.

I don't care that he's not an outstanding regular season QB. He's an outstanding clutch QB and this Ravens team is his team. Make no mistake about that.

He should ask for 20 million a year.
Yeah ok, 13 is lowball... but i'll stick with 15-16.

I totally agree that he has been clutch, leading shocking comebacks on a team that, outside of his arm and Torrey Smith, isnt built for quick strike/come from behind magic.

But to get more than a HOF guy who had some amazing stats, based on a small sample of games? I just cant see Newsome giving him that yet.

Could be wrong, we'll see.
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Its easy to say that since his team has progressed farther into the playoffs... but realistically, he didnt seem to wake up until the last month, last two of regular season and then playoffs.

No team is going to give him Manning money until he's able to shine across a full season... he impressed me and changed my tune about him, but its still based on a small body of work.

He wont get 19, i'm guessing Newsome will offer him 13-15 and he'll take it to stay with the ravens, he'd be a fool not to.
Why would he a fool not to?

If the Ravens don't want to pay him then someone else will. You're underestimating the value of QB's.

I don't personally believe he's worth a huge contract but the shortage of good QB's in this league and the amount of playoff success he has had gives him all the leverage in this negotiation.

He won't play under the franchise tag and that would be a PR disaster if he winds up sitting out a year removed from the Super Bowl. Especially if they end up winning it all.
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There is another starting QB that looks more like a serial killer and his time for ridicule is at hand. Matt Schaub
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I would hope they would pay him. If the Chiefs draft Geno and he does what Flacco has done, we better damn well back the truck up to his house.
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