Chiefs Would you rather be 8-0 with Alex Smith or 3-5 with Geno? - Page 12

**Bearcat** · 10-28-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I think we play the NFCW

Yeah, you're right... I was looking at 2011, but of course the NFC rotates every 4 years while the AFC rotates every 3... doh.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 10-28-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I think we play the NFCW

NFC West AFC East and Cin or Balt Colts or Tenn

l4z4rd · 10-28-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

He didn't do too shabby with the Niner's schedule last season (at least through the first 8 1/4 games he played in before he suffered a concussion and subsequently lost his job).

Marcellus · 10-28-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

You are really arguing next years schedule while we are 8-0?

That's pretty much a white flag. Good job Clay.

Hammock Parties · 10-28-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You are really arguing next years schedule while we are 8-0?

That's pretty much a white flag. Good job Clay.

Clearly this year is a success, but likely not an ultimate success.

8-0 is soon forgotten if we go backwards.

And I will invoke the 2001 Bears as my example once again:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/chi/2001.htm

We're winning games the same way that team won games. Limited QB, great defense, huge contributions from special teams and defense in scoring...and the next year they took a giant step backwards because they really weren't that good.

Marcellus · 10-28-2013, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Clearly this year is a success, but likely not an ultimate success.

8-0 is soon forgotten if we go backwards.

And I will invoke the 2001 Bears as my example once again:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/chi/2001.htm

We're winning games the same way that team won games. Limited QB, great defense, huge contributions from special teams and defense in scoring...and the next year they took a giant step backwards because they really weren't that good.

Yes the 2001 bears from 12 years ago are relevant.

The truth is Smith played closer to this in 2010 then improved in 2011 after more time with the same players and offense.

That's a better comparison. But keep searching for something that fits your scenarios.

Hammock Parties · 10-28-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yes the 2001 bears from 12 years ago are relevant.

We win games the same way they did.

tk13 · 10-28-2013, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

You, of 150,000+ posts on this forum, involved in football discussions for over 10 years, routinely acting like you're the smartest football poster on this board... seriously did not just post this.

Eleazar · 10-28-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

Predicting that an NFL team won't win 8 games in a row, way to go out on a limb.

AussieChiefsFan · 10-28-2013, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

That's one helluva bold prediction there.

**RealSNR** · 10-28-2013, 06:17 PM

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BWillie · 10-28-2013, 06:24 PM

Byeassed pole.

We wouldn't be 3-5 with Geno Smith. Probably more like 6-2 minimum.

Nonetheless, there are 20 QB's better than Alex Smith by my estimation.

TripleThreat · 10-28-2013, 06:31 PM

"Seeing as we barely win with the offense we have now" oh my fuking.... Would you rather it be "seeing as we almost always win with our offense" wtf we are winning games. The minute we put together a year where we don't go to the playoffs with Alex or we flat out look like garbage, call me. Till then just stfu with these threads.. I know I know ppl figured we woulda lost by now so they coulda screamed for the beheading of the qb but since we haven't be argument is clearly.. We barely win. It's better than losing.. And when playoffs come. In the 2 games that Alex had played in when it's playoffs he's been 500yds 5 tds 0 ints. 1 win 1 loss. Solid and clutch as fuk in the playoffs so if we win this way in regular season to get to the playoffs and then play way better in the playoffs to contend each year who gives a fuk???

tk13 · 10-28-2013, 06:35 PM

As for the question... I think a 3-5 record is harsh. I'd probably say 4 to 6 wins with Geno at this point. Him and Alex both have 10 TDs on the season. Geno has 12 more turnovers though. That's fairly significant. We actually lead the league at +12 in turnovers, Geno would wipe that out by himself. Obviously those numbers wouldn't be exactly the same if you switched teams, but Geno has still made some costly decisions that have nothing to do with the talent he's playing with. So it's probably not unfair to say at least 4-4.

However, this isn't in a vacuum. If you're going to treat it like one... Geno isn't the only QB we'll ever be able to draft. He wasn't even taken in the 1st round. If you were talking about someone like Andrew Luck, then it might be better long term to be 3-5 with him. But you could say that the Chiefs can go 8-0 now and still acquire a similar talent in the late 1st round of the upcoming draft. Unless you believe that none of the QB's in the next 2-3 drafts are anywhere near Geno Smith, and you think Geno is an Andrew Luck type talent.

Marcellus · 10-28-2013, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

As for the question... I think a 3-5 record is harsh. I'd probably say 4 to 6 wins with Geno at this point. Him and Alex both have 10 TDs on the season. Geno has 12 more turnovers though. That's fairly significant. We actually lead the league at +12 in turnovers, Geno would wipe that out by himself. Obviously those numbers wouldn't be exactly the same if you switched teams, but Geno has still made some costly decisions that have nothing to do with the talent he's playing with. So it's probably not unfair to say at least 4-4.

However, this isn't in a vacuum. If you're going to treat it like one... Geno isn't the only QB we'll ever be able to draft. He wasn't even taken in the 1st round. If you were talking about someone like Andrew Luck, then it might be better long term to be 3-5 with him. But you could say that the Chiefs can go 8-0 now and still acquire a similar talent in the late 1st round of the upcoming draft. Unless you believe that none of the QB's in the next 2-3 drafts are anywhere near Geno Smith, and you think Geno is an Andrew Luck type talent.

Great take on it.

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TripleThreat Veteran Join Date: Oct 2013 Casino cash: $5488253	"Seeing as we barely win with the offense we have now" oh my fuking.... Would you rather it be "seeing as we almost always win with our offense" wtf we are winning games. The minute we put together a year where we don't go to the playoffs with Alex or we flat out look like garbage, call me. Till then just stfu with these threads.. I know I know ppl figured we woulda lost by now so they coulda screamed for the beheading of the qb but since we haven't be argument is clearly.. We barely win. It's better than losing.. And when playoffs come. In the 2 games that Alex had played in when it's playoffs he's been 500yds 5 tds 0 ints. 1 win 1 loss. Solid and clutch as fuk in the playoffs so if we win this way in regular season to get to the playoffs and then play way better in the playoffs to contend each year who gives a fuk???
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10-28-2013, 06:35 PM	#14
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1812500	As for the question... I think a 3-5 record is harsh. I'd probably say 4 to 6 wins with Geno at this point. Him and Alex both have 10 TDs on the season. Geno has 12 more turnovers though. That's fairly significant. We actually lead the league at +12 in turnovers, Geno would wipe that out by himself. Obviously those numbers wouldn't be exactly the same if you switched teams, but Geno has still made some costly decisions that have nothing to do with the talent he's playing with. So it's probably not unfair to say at least 4-4. However, this isn't in a vacuum. If you're going to treat it like one... Geno isn't the only QB we'll ever be able to draft. He wasn't even taken in the 1st round. If you were talking about someone like Andrew Luck, then it might be better long term to be 3-5 with him. But you could say that the Chiefs can go 8-0 now and still acquire a similar talent in the late 1st round of the upcoming draft. Unless you believe that none of the QB's in the next 2-3 drafts are anywhere near Geno Smith, and you think Geno is an Andrew Luck type talent.
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