Chiefs Mellinger article on Hill - Page 6

**jjchieffan** · 10-24-2016, 10:55 AM

DJ''s left nut, TTC, and Clay, you may want to avoid this thread. It may get your panties in a wad.

Five seconds on a perfect afternoon is all you need to see to know why. It's why the men in charge of the Chiefs put their own credibility on the line for an admitted domestic abuser. It's why they were willing to drag the franchise through another messy argument, at least temporarily turning much of what they say they stand for into laughable propaganda.

This is a column about football, not morals. But this is also a column about Tyreek Hill, which means the line is blurry. Tyreek Hill made the most exciting, most breathtaking play in the Chiefs' 27-21 win over the Saints on Sunday.

That sentence will make Chiefs fans feel, something. Maybe all you care about is the touchdown. Maybe you will never forgive Hill for his monstrous act two years ago, or the Chiefs for bringing him to Kansas City.

Maybe you're like me, and go sad and sick whenever you think about what he did, and are disappointed the franchise of Jovan Belcher drafted Hill, but think the blame should be less on a football team and more on a justice system shamefully light on sentencing for convicted abusers of women.

No matter where you are on that issue, this column is not intended to change your mind.

This is about why the Chiefs took that risk in the fifth round of the draft back in May, why they've made sure Hill attends his court-mandated counseling, and why they thought the muck would be worth it.

It’s because of these five seconds.

"He's still a rookie, but he's off to the right start," veteran receiver Jeremy Maclin said.

First and 10 at the Saints' 38, and this is a perfect time to throw deep. If it goes incomplete, you have two more downs, and you're already on the edge of field goal range. Coach Andy Reid and quarterback Alex Smith are famously reluctant to go downfield. You know that, they know that, the other team knows that.

So it's doubly important for them to take those shots, to at least show they can, because otherwise they're throwing tunnel screens against 11 men close to the line of scrimmage.

Hill is freakishly fast — 4.24 seconds in the 40 at his pro day — and could be the Chiefs' best deep threat since, what, J.J. Birden?

"He opens everything up for all of the rest of us," Maclin says.

So, about those five seconds. Smith sees the read he wants — single coverage on Hill, with no safety over the top. He takes a short drop back and makes a trust throw high and long, believing that his guy will win the play. When Smith throws, Saints cornerback Ken Crawley is three or four yards closer to the ball's landing spot than Hill.

"Alex just told me to run as fast as I can," Hill said.

At the 14, the ball still in the air, Crawley is still a yard or two ahead of Hill. From that moment to the goal line, Hill takes seven steps. He runs past Crawley around the 10. By the six, Hill is a step behind the corner. Crawley knows it, too. He starts tugging and shoving at Hill around the five.

Hill is small — 5-foot-10 and 185 pounds, the third-smallest man on the roster — but he is also strong. Crawley's hands aren't effective. Receivers coach David Culley has talked about this moment all week, telling his guys they will have to fight downfield against a physical group of defensive backs.

Hill shakes off the coverage, plants his left foot at the 1, and leaps into the end zone. Smith's pass is perfectly placed, and in midair, Hill makes a one-handed basket catch with his left hand, rolling onto the ground with the touchdown.

There is nobody else on the roster who could've made this play. Nobody on any Chiefs roster in recent history could've made this play.

Maybe the Chiefs could've scored on this drive anyway. The Saints' defense stinks. But this was the Chiefs' one big play that was more about a singular talent than preparation or scheme, and the Chiefs won by six.

The front office did not take this kind of risk for a singles hitter.

"We're asking him to do a lot of different things," Reid said. "He's a sharp kid. So we've been able to give him maybe a little bit more than I thought as a rookie that you'd probably be able to do, but he's handled it."

Funny moment after the game. Someone asked Hill about Smith, and to be fair, Smith has played very well two games in a row — 36 for 46 for 438 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions in two wins.

Tyreek Hill says extra work with Alex Smith paid off
Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill said extra work with quarterback Alex Smith paid off with a touchdown reception Sunday against the New Orleans Saints.
Blair Kerkhoff The Kansas City Star
But, then, well, Hill said something of Smith that no serious person has said about Smith since, well, ever.

"He could be a future Hall of Famer, who knows?"

Well, Smith knows. Smith's family knows. His coaches know. You know. I know. But that's not the point. This is where Hill is at the moment, and it's who he's been with the Chiefs. He is eager. He is earnest. He calls everyone sir. Compliments his coaches constantly. Talks more about his mistakes than his successes, and more about his weaknesses than strengths.

He spent training camp driving an enormous old clunker, literally getting around in what his coaches saw as a symbol of humility.

Hill still has much to clean up. He made a mistake with the Chiefs leading late in the fourth quarter, going out of bounds on an end-around, stopping the clock. His teammates say his route running is more advanced than he's shown in games, but so far he's been limited mostly to screens and go routes.

DEFENSE STEPS UP, CHIEFS HOLD ON FOR 27-21 WIN OVER SAINTS

The rest of it may or may not come, of course. He's still young. His ultimate success or failure will be digested by many fans and media as a statement of his character. That will be misguided. It will only be a statement of his ability to play in the NFL. We don't know how any of that will work out.

All we know now is that he's doing the right things, and showing enough to see why the Chiefs took on this significant risk in the first place.

"I feel pretty good," he said. "I'm laughing, each and every day. I'm having fun with these guys. The guys are starting to trust me, and I'm starting to trust them. Once you get that down, you're comfortable."

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

BryanBusby · 10-24-2016, 04:04 PM

Neat, we're having a conversation from May again.

ModSocks · 10-24-2016, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Neat, we're having a conversation from May again.

Mellinger wanted to stir the pot.

You know, do something "controversial".

BryanBusby · 10-24-2016, 04:09 PM

He tries a little too hard, at times, to fill Kent's shoes.

MeatRock · 10-24-2016, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromatic

I'm all for keeping him on the team provided he's shown that he's willing to take the steps to be a better person, but he should permanently be on strike 2.

He deserves a chance but absolutely no leeway.

You don't have a ****ing choice.

Chromatic · 10-24-2016, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

You don't have a ****ing choice.

You mean Dorsey and Reid DON'T put all personnel and/or draft decisions to an online vote?

This is distressing news.

MeatRock · 10-24-2016, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromatic

You mean Dorsey and Reid DON'T put all personnel and/or draft decisions to an online vote?

This is distressing news.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-24-2016, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Smith has played very well two games in a row — 36 for 46 for 438 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions in two wins.

This is all we get out of Smith from playing two of the worst defense this year has to offer? I mean I think we need to do better because defenses don't get much easier well maybe against the Colts but they can also put points on the board with Luck.

You're seriously complaining about 78% completion and no turnovers? We are a run heavy offense you mouth breathing bastard. We run a two tight end formation on more than of plays. Ware is the MVP of this offense, why in earth would we NOT give him the rock and expect Smith to have to do more than he needs to?

*** **** idiot.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-24-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

All of you high and mighty asshats refuse to answer this question. But I will continue to ask it. She has forgiven him and wishes him well in his NFL career. If she can forgive him and move on, why do you think that you have the right to judge him? Mind your own business and enjoy the game.

Self righteous posters hiding behind the internet will do that. They know who they are. And they need to shut the hell up and keep it football related.

**SAUTO** · 10-24-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

All of you high and mighty asshats refuse to answer this question. But I will continue to ask it. She has forgiven him and wishes him well in his NFL career. If she can forgive him and move on, why do you think that you have the right to judge him? Mind your own business and enjoy the game.

Pretty sure she didn't move on.

They are still together last I heard...

**Baby Lee** · 10-24-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford

I think telling people not to speak out against domestic abuse just because he's your special player on your favorite team does a great injustice for the victims of it, especially those who are powerless against rich and famous athletes. That's fine if people don't want to hear about, I won't shit up any more threads about it.

I didn't say don't speak out against domestic abuse, but it's going to become a real slog if on every play we have someone reminding us we should still be bummed by reminding us of every single thing each player involved has done wrong in their life at that moment.

Heck, if you want to, do like Kapernick and post a reminder every game during the national anthem that you won't be watching until domestic violence is a thing of the past.

But otherwise, we're just going to end up with no one enjoying any entertainment communally, because every communal experience morphs into a vigil for society's ills.

Rasputin · 10-24-2016, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

You're seriously complaining about 78% completion and no turnovers? We are a run heavy offense you mouth breathing bastard. We run a two tight end formation on more than of plays. Ware is the MVP of this offense, why in earth would we NOT give him the rock and expect Smith to have to do more than he needs to?

*** **** idiot.

You think scoring 28 points is going beat a team like the Patriots in the playoffs?

How did it work for us last year?

I get it we went into a shell to control the clock but we still managed to give Drew Brees opportunity to beat us. I'm just glad our defense is pretty stout and will get better with a healthy Justin Houston.

BryanBusby · 10-24-2016, 04:49 PM

Yeah but guess what? The Saints lost.

Go smoke a cigarette and relax.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-24-2016, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

You're seriously complaining about 78% completion and no turnovers? We are a run heavy offense you mouth breathing bastard. We run a two tight end formation on more than of plays. Ware is the MVP of this offense, why in earth would we NOT give him the rock and expect Smith to have to do more than he needs to?

*** **** idiot.

That "run heavy offense" has run the ball 151 times, but thrown the ball 214 this season. About a 60/40 split in the wrong direction.

The "MVP of the offense" ran the ball a whopping 6 times in the 1st half yesterday, while Alex Smith dropped back to pass 15 times. All while Ware was gaining 10-11 yards a carry.

The QB of this "run heavy offense" is on pace to throw 572 times this season. Over 100 attempts more than his career average for seasons playing 15 or 16 games.

We SHOULD be a run heavy offense, but Andy cant help himself.

Rasputin · 10-24-2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Yeah but guess what? The Saints lost.

Go smoke a cigarette and relax.

Are you trying kill me? I have copd and a cigarette would absolutely put me in aspirations and I could die!

Oh & I absolutely enjoyed the game especially the part we won so I am relaxed about it I'm just saying our offense is going need to get a tad bit more aggressive scoring points if we expect to beat teams like the Patriots.

****ing ****. When did we get Marty Schottenheimer back as a coach?

Mr. Laz · 10-24-2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

He punched her in the face. And the STOMACH. WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT.

I've never heard that.

Not saying it's wrong, i didn't look for information about him.

10-24-2016, 10:55 AM
jjchieffan Supporter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Highlandville, MO Casino cash: $3302247	Mellinger article on Hill DJ''s left nut, TTC, and Clay, you may want to avoid this thread. It may get your panties in a wad. Five seconds on a perfect afternoon is all you need to see to know why. It's why the men in charge of the Chiefs put their own credibility on the line for an admitted domestic abuser. It's why they were willing to drag the franchise through another messy argument, at least temporarily turning much of what they say they stand for into laughable propaganda. This is a column about football, not morals. But this is also a column about Tyreek Hill, which means the line is blurry. Tyreek Hill made the most exciting, most breathtaking play in the Chiefs' 27-21 win over the Saints on Sunday. That sentence will make Chiefs fans feel, something. Maybe all you care about is the touchdown. Maybe you will never forgive Hill for his monstrous act two years ago, or the Chiefs for bringing him to Kansas City. Maybe you're like me, and go sad and sick whenever you think about what he did, and are disappointed the franchise of Jovan Belcher drafted Hill, but think the blame should be less on a football team and more on a justice system shamefully light on sentencing for convicted abusers of women. No matter where you are on that issue, this column is not intended to change your mind. This is about why the Chiefs took that risk in the fifth round of the draft back in May, why they've made sure Hill attends his court-mandated counseling, and why they thought the muck would be worth it. It’s because of these five seconds. "He's still a rookie, but he's off to the right start," veteran receiver Jeremy Maclin said. First and 10 at the Saints' 38, and this is a perfect time to throw deep. If it goes incomplete, you have two more downs, and you're already on the edge of field goal range. Coach Andy Reid and quarterback Alex Smith are famously reluctant to go downfield. You know that, they know that, the other team knows that. So it's doubly important for them to take those shots, to at least show they can, because otherwise they're throwing tunnel screens against 11 men close to the line of scrimmage. Hill is freakishly fast — 4.24 seconds in the 40 at his pro day — and could be the Chiefs' best deep threat since, what, J.J. Birden? "He opens everything up for all of the rest of us," Maclin says. So, about those five seconds. Smith sees the read he wants — single coverage on Hill, with no safety over the top. He takes a short drop back and makes a trust throw high and long, believing that his guy will win the play. When Smith throws, Saints cornerback Ken Crawley is three or four yards closer to the ball's landing spot than Hill. "Alex just told me to run as fast as I can," Hill said. At the 14, the ball still in the air, Crawley is still a yard or two ahead of Hill. From that moment to the goal line, Hill takes seven steps. He runs past Crawley around the 10. By the six, Hill is a step behind the corner. Crawley knows it, too. He starts tugging and shoving at Hill around the five. Hill is small — 5-foot-10 and 185 pounds, the third-smallest man on the roster — but he is also strong. Crawley's hands aren't effective. Receivers coach David Culley has talked about this moment all week, telling his guys they will have to fight downfield against a physical group of defensive backs. Hill shakes off the coverage, plants his left foot at the 1, and leaps into the end zone. Smith's pass is perfectly placed, and in midair, Hill makes a one-handed basket catch with his left hand, rolling onto the ground with the touchdown. There is nobody else on the roster who could've made this play. Nobody on any Chiefs roster in recent history could've made this play. Maybe the Chiefs could've scored on this drive anyway. The Saints' defense stinks. But this was the Chiefs' one big play that was more about a singular talent than preparation or scheme, and the Chiefs won by six. The front office did not take this kind of risk for a singles hitter. "We're asking him to do a lot of different things," Reid said. "He's a sharp kid. So we've been able to give him maybe a little bit more than I thought as a rookie that you'd probably be able to do, but he's handled it." Funny moment after the game. Someone asked Hill about Smith, and to be fair, Smith has played very well two games in a row — 36 for 46 for 438 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions in two wins. Tyreek Hill says extra work with Alex Smith paid off Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill said extra work with quarterback Alex Smith paid off with a touchdown reception Sunday against the New Orleans Saints. Blair Kerkhoff The Kansas City Star But, then, well, Hill said something of Smith that no serious person has said about Smith since, well, ever. "He could be a future Hall of Famer, who knows?" Well, Smith knows. Smith's family knows. His coaches know. You know. I know. But that's not the point. This is where Hill is at the moment, and it's who he's been with the Chiefs. He is eager. He is earnest. He calls everyone sir. Compliments his coaches constantly. Talks more about his mistakes than his successes, and more about his weaknesses than strengths. He spent training camp driving an enormous old clunker, literally getting around in what his coaches saw as a symbol of humility. Hill still has much to clean up. He made a mistake with the Chiefs leading late in the fourth quarter, going out of bounds on an end-around, stopping the clock. His teammates say his route running is more advanced than he's shown in games, but so far he's been limited mostly to screens and go routes. DEFENSE STEPS UP, CHIEFS HOLD ON FOR 27-21 WIN OVER SAINTS The rest of it may or may not come, of course. He's still young. His ultimate success or failure will be digested by many fans and media as a statement of his character. That will be misguided. It will only be a statement of his ability to play in the NFL. We don't know how any of that will work out. All we know now is that he's doing the right things, and showing enough to see why the Chiefs took on this significant risk in the first place. "I feel pretty good," he said. "I'm laughing, each and every day. I'm having fun with these guys. The guys are starting to trust me, and I'm starting to trust them. Once you get that down, you're comfortable." Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy
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