Chiefs Let's talk about the ****ing Bills. - Page 11

Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 08:19 PM

This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate.

The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ****ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye.

What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What??

I'll tell you what happened. Kyle ****ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ****ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous.

Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success:

The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success.
He is still Kyle Orton.

That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone.

He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown.

After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-****ing-diculous speedster.

At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright.

I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us.

So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3.

This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ****ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst.

I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady.

Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps.

Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better.

Let's win this ****ing game.

Just Passin' By · 11-03-2014, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And unless they hired Chan Gailey this week I'm not worried about them being any more dangerous than any other 5-3 team...

So, the 5-3 Bills are just about as dangerous as the 5-3 Chiefs, then?

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 11-03-2014, 03:34 PM

Looking forward to reading the thread. This is the 7th overall D in the league. They are stronger against the run than they are the pass. This will not be a blowout. This team has the ability to beat us. Our D getting on Orton early is our best chance.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 11-03-2014, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Who the Bills have beaten:

visiting the Bears, week 1
hosting the Dolphins, week 2
visiting the Lions, week 5
hosting the Vikings, week 6
visiting the Jets, week 7

Not exactly a who's who of monster villains, now is it.

The Lions are the only team there that's worth mentioning, and they missed three FG attempts in the game.

There's our edge. They have a better record on the road, and we've played much stiffer competition, better.

RINGLEADER · 11-03-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaNewGuy

I don't think Buffalo is that good. Im mostly concerned about Watkins.

Who do they have opposite him?

Frankly, if we can contain their crap rush, we should bring 5 and double Watkins. Orton hasn't shown himself to be particularly adept at avoiding sacks (almost 4 per game). This is the kind of game ideally suited to how the Chiefs can play. We just have to hope Reid lets them play that way.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 11-03-2014, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

I don't care who you are, beating Chicago on their turf is tough.

Quit saying they can't run the ball! My god, injuries aside, they are still nearly averaging 100 a game against the #13, #11, #16, #21, #2, #22, #15, and #6 run defenses. Safe to say that after our game with them, regardless of whether or not we stuff them or gash us, they will likely level that average out of the last half of the season

To the ship, right?

EJ was their QB in Chicago and again week 2 IIRC. They're a different team. I don't think it's a laugher, but I think we'll win.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-03-2014, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

EJ was their QB in Chicago and again week 2 IIRC. They're a different team. I don't think it's a laugher, but I think we'll win.

The Chiefs are the better team. Better running game, more efficient passing game, better defense and better coaching staff.

If the Bills win, it'll be because the Chiefs were ill-prepared as they were for the Titans game. Personally, I can't see that happening at this point but I won't be surprised if it's an extremely close, nail-biter of a game.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-03-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Who do they have opposite him?

Frankly, if we can contain their crap rush, we should bring 5 and double Watkins. Orton hasn't shown himself to be particularly adept at avoiding sacks (almost 4 per game). This is the kind of game ideally suited to how the Chiefs can play. We just have to hope Reid lets them play that way.

Robert Woods (USC) who's been inconsistent.

I imagine that Smith will cover Watkins and he'll get his catches. As long as they shut down Chandler and don't allow YAC, their offense should be fairly bottled up because they're a very poor running team at this point with a leaky offensive line.

**Rausch** · 11-03-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

So, the 5-3 Bills are just about as dangerous as the 5-3 Chiefs, then?

On offense perhaps more dangerous.

**BossChief** · 11-03-2014, 05:24 PM

I'm trying to be optimistic, but I think this is the game that brings us back down to earth.

We aren't gonna be able to run on them and I don't like the matchups of our receivers and their secondary AT ALL.

I think Alex Smith has a terrible day and we lose big to a talented and underrated team coming of a bye week.

I really hope I'm wrong.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-03-2014, 05:35 PM

Battered Wives Syndrome.

The Bills beat the Bears, Dolphins, Lions, Vikings and Jets. They lost to NE, San Diego and Houston. Yet people think that a team that beat Miami, NE, San Diego, St. Louis and the Jets are somehow going to lose in Buffalo?

A team that's won five of its last six is going to fall apart because of Kyle Orton, yet beat Rivers, Brady and hell, Michael Vick, who's certainly better than Orton?

I wouldn't guarantee a win but I'd certainly be surprised if the Chiefs lost.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 11-03-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs are the better team. Better running game, more efficient passing game, better defense and better coaching staff.

If the Bills win, it'll be because the Chiefs were ill-prepared as they were for the Titans game. Personally, I can't see that happening at this point but I won't be surprised if it's an extremely close, nail-biter of a game.

We shouldn't lose at all outside of what you just mentioned. My only concern is their run D. I expect a low scoring game personally.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-03-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

We shouldn't lose at all outside of what you just mentioned. My only concern is their run D. I expect a low scoring game personally.

The Chiefs have the best rushing attack in the league with Charles and Davis. Misdirection and play-action should soften up their over-pursuit, as should DAT and Kelce.

I don't think this will be an "easy" game but I do believe the Chiefs have the weapons and coaching staff to properly game plan and win.

Direckshun · 11-03-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Just finished the Bills/Jets game. Similar to what we do offensively: lots of Y-stick, dragon (slant-flat). Out of Detroit (2W2TE1B) personnel and this:

What is "dragon"?

Mother****erJones · 11-03-2014, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I'm trying to be optimistic, but I think this is the game that brings us back down to earth.

We aren't gonna be able to run on them and I don't like the matchups of our receivers and their secondary AT ALL.

I think Alex Smith has a terrible day and we lose big to a talented and underrated team coming of a bye week.

I really hope I'm wrong.

If we can go to Denver and have a shot to tie/go for two and the win, then we can go to buffalo and win. We have the best pass defense. Our rush defense is suspect but they're without Spiller and Jackson.

Just Passin' By · 11-03-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Battered Wives Syndrome.

The Bills beat the Bears, Dolphins, Lions, Vikings and Jets. They lost to NE, San Diego and Houston. Yet people think that a team that beat Miami, NE, San Diego, St. Louis and the Jets are somehow going to lose in Buffalo?

A team that's won five of its last six is going to fall apart because of Kyle Orton, yet beat Rivers, Brady and hell, Michael Vick, who's certainly better than Orton?

I wouldn't guarantee a win but I'd certainly be surprised if the Chiefs lost.

Denver beat KC
KC beat NE
NE beat Denver

Just matching games up like that really doesn't do anything at this still earlyish stage of the season. Buffalo fans can make easy counters:

New England was in a funk against the Chiefs, with Gronk still struggling to come back from injury, LaFell still trying to adapt, and the OL sucking with the force of a thousand hurricanes. By the time they'd gotten to the Bills, the OL was playing better, Gronk was healthier and Buffalo was playing its first game after losing both Spiller and Jackson

The Chargers have dropped 3 straight, as the injuries have piled up and Oliver has come down to earth.

The Rams are 3-5 and would be 2-6 if Kaepernick hadn't fumbled on the inch line.

And so on...

I'm not saying that the Bills will win (and I'll be cheering for the Chiefs), just that this game isn't necessarily going to be a cake walk.

11-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4203447	Let's talk about the ing Bills. This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate. The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ***ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost* as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye. What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What?? I'll tell you what happened. Kyle **ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous. Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success: The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success. He is still Kyle Orton. That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone. He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown. After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-ing-diculous speedster. At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright. I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us. So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3. This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst. I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady. Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps. Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none. This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better. Let's win this **ing game.
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Battered Wives Syndrome. The Bills beat the Bears, Dolphins, Lions, Vikings and Jets. They lost to NE, San Diego and Houston. Yet people think that a team that beat Miami, NE, San Diego, St. Louis and the Jets are somehow going to lose in Buffalo? A team that's won five of its last six is going to fall apart because of Kyle Orton, yet beat Rivers, Brady and hell, Michael Vick, who's certainly better than Orton? I wouldn't guarantee a win but I'd certainly be surprised if the Chiefs lost.
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